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    Peter I'm taking on board what your saying , and this has raised some concerns which I shall be speaking to the previous owner about to see if I can get any more info regarding its history, all I know about these rifles is from what I have read or have been told, therefore I do greatly value the opinions and experience of others who know a lot more than me on the subject.
    All I can say is wait out, until I can find out more info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pe4king View Post
    As for provanance all I have is the word of the chap that I did the deal with
    Go back to the seller, armed with the above comments and see what he has to say and see if he offers a refund, not too hard to try and trace back a firearm due to the national data base if he is unwilling to co-operate, if its gone from dealer to dealer then not as easy.


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    Just another observation. I've never seen a No.4T marked with (Fazakerley) FTR 48 markings engraved on the left side of the body. Anyone else care to comment?

    I've got some new leather handles for your chest if you need a set.

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    A quick update the rifle came from the collection of the late Chris Barber.
    Peter, Sorry it was not you that had looked at the rifle that was me getting wires crossed.
    Brian How much are the set of handles ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pe4king View Post
    the collection of the late Chris Barber.
    Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, pe4king but the collection of the late Chris Barber was mainly made up of fakes (and not very good ones) I was lucky that I was able to return one of his knock ups a few years ago.

    I wont go into it, but it opened up a whole can of worms when I was trying to trace the origins of the rifle I had at the time, one of the things was that chris was using the names of a few noted collectors who had verified his rifles etc, only problem was that one of the names associated with his rifles was dead before Chris had started collecting.

    I was lucky but a lot of people lost thousands, if I was you I would ask for a refund I,m sure other members will say the same thing.
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    Hello pe4king ..

    That name seemed to ring a bell with me….

    You might want to try our Google CSE custom search engine located in the top right corner below the words "Advanced Search". It only searches our site using Google techniques and can be quite efficient. For example, in your case, type in the words chris barber and see what happens ..

    It turned up this older post ...

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    There is no smilie for big gulp im just checking if this is in fact the case, as I said to a friend about where it came from, he said he would make same phone calls and thats the name he came back with, I have just asked the previous owner if thats the name he has and im waiting for an answer.

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    From the stable of Chris Barber eh! I have a funny feeling that the name has featured on this forum in the past - and not in relation to jazz music either. I'd be knocking at the trading standards peoples door early tomorrow. But I could be wrong............

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    I sell the handles for $25 a set plus postage.

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    One thing I didn't quite understand about this rifle, is, if it has been altered, why didn't they line up the TR on the wrist more convincingly?
    Also I wondered about the bracket - only in as much as it doesn't look like the other obvious repros out there and to my untutored eye looks almost 'real'.

    So where were this Chris Barber's rifles generally sold through - a particular dealer/auction house?
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