Need Help with correct Stock and Handguard for an Early Winchester

[ABPOS]

I fully appreciate that. I'm not trying to restore this rifle into a high end collectible. The handguard is chopped, it looks like crap, and I don't enjoy it.

It's going to get replaced. Since I'm replacing it anyway, it only makes sense to spend a little extra effort to choose one that matches what originally came on it. My problem is that I don't have enough handguard knowledge to make that choice.

Makes sense to me.

[painter777]

Greetings,
I picked up my first M1 carbine at my LGS. I got it fairly cheap because it was bubba'd up a bit for a homemade scope mount. Shoots and functions well. Bought it because it looked early and appeared mostly correct. (still have lots to learn though)

It's a Winchester, s/n 10807xx. The barreled action and trigger group look correct to me, except for the front and rear sights.

Besides being chopped for a scope's objective, the handguard is a two rivet marked Inland.

What is the correct Winchester handguard? I know it should be a two rivet, but I don't know if it should be deep groove, shallow, bullnose, or ???

How about the stock? "I" or oval? It has an oval and high wall, but it was chopped on the left side for the scope mount. Other parts are wrong too. Inland type 1A barrel band, SG recoil plate, ect.

Thanks for the help,
Eric

WRA 1,080,7xx Stock:
WRA used the I cut oiler/Hi-wood from start of production to roughly 1,153,591.
The Oval oiler/Hi-wood came in around 1,067,649 until the end of the first serial number block.
The Large boxed WRA over GHD was used to ~ 1,067,649.
Un-boxed WRA over GHD came in around 1,055,513.

So there was some over lap of both stocks and stamps.

For a Hand guard, You could use a Type 1. Deep sighting groove, Un-marked or with a W. Winchester handguards are found with a particular milling style underneath.
The routered circles usually show the last cut as being on the outside edge.
This is what I've noticed anyway.

HTH,
Charlie-painter777

[eplexus]

That's what I wanted to hear on the stock. I was hoping there was some overlap and that some ovals were used
prior to s/n 1100000.

How about the bullnose/non-bullnose handguards. Do you have any data about when they were used/not-used?

Thanks for the specific details. This is exactly the data I'm looking for.

WRA 1,080,7xx Stock:
WRA used the I cut oiler/Hi-wood from start of production to roughly 1,153,591.
The Oval oiler/Hi-wood came in around 1,067,649 until the end of the first serial number block.
The Large boxed WRA over GHD was used to ~ 1,067,649.
Un-boxed WRA over GHD came in around 1,055,513.

So there was some over lap of both stocks and stamps.

For a Hand guard, You could use a Type 1. Deep sighting groove, Un-marked or with a W. Winchester handguards are found with a particular milling style underneath.
The routered circles usually show the last cut as being on the outside edge.
This is what I've noticed anyway.

HTH,
Charlie-painter777

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[painter777]

How about the bullnose/non-bullnose handguards. Do you have any data about when they were used/not-used?

IIRC,
The 'Bull-nose' style HG are associated with WRA 1942 to mid 1943 production.
I don't have the info available to place it in a particular serial range.
I've seen Bull-nose go for bigger $.

I do know a guy with plenty of extra HG's.......

Cheers,
Charlie-painter777

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Other parts are wrong too. Inland type 1A barrel band, SG recoil plate, ect.

Eric,
Are there any markings on your Type I band?
On the swivel?
How many weld spots on top of the band?

Curious as to how you figure it's a Inland...?

Thx,
CH-P777

[eplexus]

I just picked up a shallow grovve HG that fits and matches the finish on the stock pretty well.
It looks a lot better now. I'd still be interested in tracking down a deep groove though.

The barrel band is a narrow 1/1A type. I don't see spot welds and the only marking is on the
flat of the swivel. It's marked "UI" The swivel has the wider opening. My thought was that the
swivel was replaced.

Eric

IIRC,
The 'Bull-nose' style HG are associated with WRA 1942 to mid 1943 production.
I don't have the info available to place it in a particular serial range.
I've seen Bull-nose go for bigger $.

I do know a guy with plenty of extra HG's.......

Cheers,
Charlie-painter777

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Eric,
Are there any markings on your Type I band?
On the swivel?
How many weld spots on top of the band?

Curious as to how you figure it's a Inland...?

Thx,
CH-P777