Fake Cruciform Bayonet on Ebay buy it now for $195

[gew8805]

Simple. They did it the same way the French did for the loooong M1886 bayonet.... just differently.

I agree with Peter Laidler, I do think it was an original No.4 MkI that was somehow snapped off. The seller is full of it when he states the length. I'll bet he has a "No Returns" policy as well.

[browningautorifle]

Agreed. This is a fabrication and an excellent example of it...I'd never seen one before.

[A square 10]

did singer use savage release ? isnt that a savage squared "S" in a square ?

[browningautorifle]

did singer use savage release ? isnt that a savage squared "S" in a square ?

It is and I'm sure they didn't use them. Mine didn't have that.

[gew8805]

Nothing unusual. The MkI was the first and longest serving of the "spike" bayonets. Many went through re-builds or had parts from other bayonets substituted when they were damaged on a local level. It is not at all uncommon to see a so-called "non-matching" part used in repair or replacement.

[Aragorn243]

The Savage release probably is not much of an issue although it would be better to have a Singer.

I'm leaning toward this being a broken bayonet that was re-tipped rather than a fake from scratch after looking at it closely but it is still a misleading sell and not worth anywhere near the asking price.

[browningautorifle]

Sorry I disagree. I'm certain it's a fake. I wouldn't go near it. Maybe you should buy it and let us know.

[Aragorn243]

Jim,

It is "fake" and I wouldn't touch it with a 10 ft pole but it does have the markings of an original cruciform bayonet. It has the dimple which few would know about. The grooves look correct. What does not look correct is obviously the tip and the length. A true fake made from a standard spike bayonet would be full length. I don't care what the seller says, that spike is not 8 inches long. It's closer to 6 inches long based on the scabbard that sits beside it. To make a fake, why shorten the spike and still put the screwdriver tip on it?

[browningautorifle]

The whole blade doesn't look right to me. I agree the marks are there. The dimple is evident when examining a real one. One would want a real one on hand before making any. The S marked button doesn't matter, it can be changed. I'm sorry, I just can't be convinced that it's been or is real. Markings and all.

[Aragorn243]

The spike looks bent in two places which would reinforce the broken tip. I don't know. It isn't very important to me one way or the other, it isn't what he says it is of that I'm positive.

Having gone through this investigative process recently with my own cruciform, if that bayonet were photoed with the end cropped off, it's the real deal all the way (less the savage release).

From Carl's bayonet page: BAyonet Collection Presentation Go to fakes then UK No4 MKI You can see the fakes grooves are not done well, they didn't have the equipment. The grooves on this one are the way they are supposed to be.