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    Question What rifle is this 1913 Warner & Swasey mount for?

    I need some help identifying what rifle this mount would be for....

    It came with a grouping consisting of Model 1913 Warner & Swasey Telescopic Musket Sights c/w M1913 Pattern Leather Carrying Case with adjusting tool in the pocket compartment.

    The seller (5 years ago) said it had been neatly packed away in a family's attic since the 1940's and belonged to her grandfather.

    I have W&S mounts for the 1903 rifle, but this doesn't look the same. I also have an original 1915 M10 Ross MkIII* Sniper Rifle but the mount on it isn't the same as this.

    I added some pics of the mount and also the adjusting tool below..

    Anyone hazard a guess as to what rifle this mount may be for?

    Thanks for any feedback ...

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    The only other weapon that comes to mind is the US Machine Rifle, Cal 30 Model 1909 Benet-Mercie. I believe they all had the bracket to mount the Warner & Swasey scope ?
    only a guess, If you can locate photos of this M1909 showing the left side, it might help

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    Is the curvature on the receiver side the same ae the '03 mount? How about the hole spacing?

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    It's one of the reproduction mounts for the M1903 Springfield. I have one of these aswell, they are also pictured on page 499 of Brophy's "The Springfield M1903 Rifle".

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmoore View Post
    Is the curvature on the receiver side the same ae the '03 mount? How about the hole spacing?
    I haven't actually tried that yet, but it's a good idea ..

    ... and if promo is correct, then it should fit fine...

    It does look really old and weathered, not having the external appearance of a repro, but that could just be the result of original bare metal simply aging ..

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    At first glance one might think this was made for the P14, but there is an identical base and US Warner & Swasey scope case on ePay at the moment in Italyicon, and besides, this base would not fit far enough forward on the P14.

    The Benet-Mercie must be the correct answer; the gun they chose over the Lewis!
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    No, it is NOT for the Benet-Mercie MG. As I already said, take a look into Brophy's book, you'll find exactly the same W&S scope rail pictured. I know it, as I have one of these myself.

    The Benet-Mercie used the same style of the rail as did the M1903, it just had seperate "feet". See this original drawing:


    Furthermore, for what I know the Benet-Mercie was flat in the area where the scope had originally been mounted. This picture would suggest the same thing:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Promo View Post
    No, it is NOT for the Benet-Mercie MG. As I already said, take a look into Brophy's book, you'll find exactly the same W&S scope rail pictured. I know it, as I have one of these myself.

    The Benet-Mercie used the same style of the rail as did the M1903, it just had seperate "feet". See this original drawing:
    https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...12/TUnto-1.jpg

    Furthermore, for what I know the Benet-Mercie was flat in the area where the scope had originally been mounted. This picture would suggest the same thing:
    https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...2/1909_3-1.jpg
    Oh sorry Georg, I didn't see your post. The curvature on the back side looks rather extreme for any rifle I can think of. It looks more like the curvature of a barrel than a receiver wall, but perhaps that is just the photo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Promo View Post
    No, it is NOT for the Benet-Mercie MG. As I already said, take a look into Brophy's book, you'll find exactly the same W&S scope rail pictured. I know it, as I have one of these myself.



    The Benet-Mercie used the same style of the rail as did the M1903, it just had seperate "feet". See this original drawing:
    https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...12/TUnto-1.jpg

    Furthermore, for what I know the Benet-Mercie was flat in the area where the scope had originally been mounted. This picture would suggest the same thing:
    https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...2/1909_3-1.jpg
    Oh sorry, I didn't see your post. The curvature on the back side looks rather extreme for any rifle I can think of. It looks more like the curvature of a barrel than an a receiver wall.
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