Can anyone identify these old bayonets?

[Der Kuenstler]

My friend found these bayonets among his recently deceased uncle's possessions. They look like this:



Here are closeups of the handles and sheaths:







The smaller one is 16 1/4" long, blade 11 3/4"

The larger one is 20 1/4" long, blade 15 3/4"

One of them has a number on it: ORP7769

We don't know what time period, country or anything. Any help identifying these would be greatly appreciated!

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[Patrick Chadwick]

My meagre knowledge suggests that they both could be British. We need close up photos of the ricasso - the area just in front of the crosspiece, before the start of the edge. Even the faintest of marks will help. For instance, the British proof mark on bayonets is a slightly irregular-looking X-mark, symbolising crossed blades.

[old-smithy]

ong one is a japanese Arisaka the shorter an Italian 1891 see my site for more info on th ejapanese one ie maker etc.

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a slightly irregular-looking X-mark, symbolising crossed blades.

THe X is to show th etensile side of th ebent test and represents an X (as in marks the spott) not crossed blades

[porterkids]

The shorter one is an Italian Model 1891. The longer is a WWII Japanese Type 99.

[Der Kuenstler]

Awesome -thanks!

[lambo35]

As others have indicated, the longer bayonet is Japanese, a type 30. This one was made by Toyoda Auotmatic Loom Works, under the supervision of Nagoya. This is a common variation of the type 30 bayonet. It is a nice one to have with its scabbard and frog.

Chuck

[user1]

Nice bayos mate