Enfield No4 MK1 T Sniper Rifle no scope or bracket....real deal or fake??

[mrbungle]

thanks, i thought all t's had the sight work done. i stand corrected....



well, i am going to bid on that rifle, the guy told me the reserve but i am not going to bid that..... bid and see if he takes it or relist it....

[vintage hunter]

Good luck

[Ridolpho]

JM: Your comments about refinishing got me wondering so I took my '45 apart for the first time. Looking at it up close under my best light the finish looks, to me, like some kind of bluing (as opposed to paint) and the matching original barrel is very similar or identical. Metal is all unblemished and little things like no dirt in the triggerguard front screw threads make me wonder if it isn't the original finish. Lots of crisp clear markings so I think I'll take a bunch of photos and put them in a post real soon. I notice that on the forend it has the little "X" under the front pad that you are gathering data on. I'll look forward to your comments when I get it posted.

Ridolpho

[jmoore]

can you remove the bolt without flipping up the rear site? the one for sale the rear sight does not look filed so you can remove the bolt without flipping up the rear site. on the real deal they should. because you don't want to remove the scope and flip up the rear site before you could remove the bolt.

I've read about this mod., but in ~30 years have yet to see it in person!

[jmoore]

JM: Your comments about refinishing got me wondering so I took my '45 apart for the first time. Looking at it up close under my best light the finish looks, to me, like some kind of bluing (as opposed to paint) and the matching original barrel is very similar or identical.

Most No.4 Mk.I(T)s seem to have left H&H blued. The major exceptions being the Brunofix'ed rifles from later in production. Most likely done as a cost reduction and productivity enhancement. I forget the specifics, but IIRC Hollands' was able to reduce the unit cost a fair amount. The change in the finish might have a fair amount to do with it. Of note, the Brunofix was applied only to the reworked areas from what few I've seen.

[Gil Boyd]

jmoore,
I understood, as an original Shirley 4T owner as well, that this was an armourers modification if he had the time on request from the user, but certainly mine has to have the rear site raised to extract the bolt. This is covered by Peter L in one of his threads as well as his book I believe.

[Lee Enfield]

my concern with your rifle ridolfo is the freash T and the TR on wrist. compared to the serial number stamps. pretty looking rifle though. thanks for posting pics. the one for sale looks alot like yours.

can you remove the bolt without flipping up the rear site? the one for sale the rear sight does not look filed so you can remove the bolt without flipping up the rear site. on the real deal they should. because you don't want to remove the scope and flip up the rear site before you could remove the bolt.

Hello mrbungle, while I appreciate your enthusiasm, I'm not sure how many No4 snipers you've owned or examined, but I would hazard a guess that it's really not that many.

The comment "...on the real deal they should..." indicates to me that you might need a little more experience before making sweeping statements of authenticity.

As other people have stated, I've never actually observed a modified MkI/I rear sight on a No4MkI(T) or No4MkI*(T).

Of course I've only examined (in my hands) somewhere (probably) under 100 individual No4 snipers myself, and seen detailed pictures of probably a hundred more...

And I'll make no further comment on your original post critiquing the (rather obviously) legitimate No4T as a "Century fake"...

[mrbungle]

great , what do you want, a cookie?

i admitted i was wrong on the sight work on t's and i asked if that rifle was a fake......so what is your point other than to dog me ?????

no i do not have alot experience with t's. but that is no reason for you to try to make me look like an idiot. there are alot of fakes out there and i don;t want to get screwed over......tons of fakes, mr. i have handled 100's of t'......that and a buck 50 will get you a cup of coffee....



i come here to get info and learn, not to get treated like idiot....

[Lee Enfield]

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It was not my intention to cause you or anyone else offence. Perhaps these picture could answer your questions... one of them is a "century sniper".


This is a wonderful website.
1944 Enfield No.4 Mk1(T) #R33872

[Ridolpho]

Thanks Lee Enfield for the photo of the Century Arms "replica". Clearly they weren't trying to fool anyone! I often think that if some outfit manufactured good, shootable, but clearly not authentic No. 4 T's that it would help to put some of the fakers out of business. I know I would have sent my money in that direction rather than buying a fake No. 4 T that had pads so poorly aligned that it took me weeks with files to force a bracket to work on it. I now know that what I payed for that fake wasn't nearly enough for it to have been real but it was still enough that it would have allowed a proper shop to make a profit on a decently modified standard rifle.

Ridolpho