Un-issued no4 enfields from 1940~1945 bull?

[Peter Laidler]

Even a fairly experienced, fairly long serving and well qualified Armourer would be pushed to say, as you have, that a rifle has probably not fired more than, say, 100 rounds in its life CHB! With the best will in the world, we had barrel life down to what we called 'quarters of life'. Sniper rifles, by definition were never thrashed to death, were one-man-one-dog items of equipment and generally lead pampered lives - unless they were part of the sniper div/training wing of course - of which, lo and behold, I was an Armourer

But this thread is really all about New Zealand rifles with flowery descriptions. And I've told what I have seen there and know about. Like I say........... Buy the rifle and not the story!

[Hal O'Peridol]

A discussion with pics on another forum regarding some apparently unissued Savage-Stevens built #4 rifles....

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum...few-years-back

[Hal O'Peridol]

A few pictures of the rifle I have. I finally remembered the dealers name, Robert Paddon......

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[tomwolf26]

always some interest stories shared from you
and i guess the other lesson is to always check the rifle before buying, coz many ppl think these unissued rifles well packed in factory grease must be in good nick ...

As a matter of interest Tomwolf, I was an Armourer ar the huge Ordnance Depot at Ngaruawahia during the 1967/68 when NZ was divesting itself of a load of No4's and I SAW with my own eyes the sealed crates of rifles that had been stored since they arrived during the war. I have written this all down on this forum if you want the full story, but in short, even if they were wrapped in grease, then NOTHING would/could have saved them from the ravages of the deck-cargo journey over, believe me. When some of the still sealed crates were opened by S/Sgts Danny Booker and Frank Sculley, they were just totally rust encrusted virtually unidentifiable heaps of pure iron oxide. No amount of grease or greased paper could have saved them. I recall that the inside of the 20-rifle crates were lined with a tar paper liner.

Canadian Bren guns were the same although I only saw a couple of crates of those, say 30 guns. All written off on-site by WO2 Annandale and countersigned by Capt Reece the Ordnance Depot 2i/c as I seem to recall (or was it workshop boss Leo Francis?)

In my opinion, the only ones that survived were those taken out of crates, cleaned off and put into service. Don't believe me? Then another forum member who was there at the time, and another ex REME man, the late KimW saw the same with other kit being readied for disposal at the Ordnance Depot at Sylvia Park in Auckland.

I'd say let your eyes and gauges be the best judge OR being a bit brutal - but pragmatic - buy the rifle and not the fairy stories that are attached to them!

Anyone still see/in contact with Kim's family?