M41 Sniper stock disk questions

[Chris B.]

Hello! I have a M41 Sniper and the stock disk does not match the bore or the performance of the rifle. Does anyone know what disks came on the M41 sniper?

Thanks

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[Patrick Chadwick]

the stock disk does not match the bore or the performance of the rifle

Absolutely no surprise there!
I regret that what follows may sound cynical, but it's the bitter truth:

1) Stock disks recorded the measured condition of the rifle once upon a time. That time is now 50-70 years in the past. So regardless of what the markings indicated then, they have no validity as test documentation now.

2) Stock disks can be acquired as new "stamp it yourself" blanks, or recovered from scrapped rifles. The physical effort of removing a screw, popping out the old disk, pushing in a new one, and screwing it up tight again, is within the mental and physical capacity of the dumbest Bubba. It is accordingly done not infrequently. If you don't like what you've already got on your rifle, just go to an arms fair, and pick yourself another!

3) I am guessing that if your rifle performed superbly, you would not be worried by what an out-of-date disk indicates, and you are therefore probably disappointed that the rifle's present performance does not come up to that you would expect from the disk. In this case, refer to Items 1) and 2).

Finally, to answer your specific question: m/41B sniper rifles carried a disk marked "G M/41 B". G stands for Gevär = rifle. So if your rifle does not have such a disk, the question arises
a) is it a real sniper? or
b) was the disk pinched by someone faking up another sniper.

Only good photos can help us further!

[Badger]

Detailed photo montages and examples of all of the correct variations on the M41 sniper rifles mat be found in the MKL...

Sweden Milsurp Knowledge Library (click here)

Regards,
Doug

[Chris B.]

Here are some pics. Everything looks good except that the stock disk does not match. The rifle came from my Uncle and he said it was missing when he got it years ago and replaced it with one from another rifle. The rifle shoots very good, under 2 inches at 200 yards. As you can see, my biggest issue is the stock disk.

Chris

[Patrick Chadwick]

stock disk does not match. The rifle came from my Uncle and he said it was missing when he got it years ago and replaced it with one from another rifle.

You could have said that right at the start!

The rifle shoots very good, under 2 inches at 200 yards.

And I thought you were unhappy with the rifle!

As you can see, my biggest issue is the stock disk.

I wish I had that kind of problem! You have acquired a free(?) rifle, equipped as a sniper, that shoots excellently. The stock disk is neither an issue nor a problem. It is a triviality. If it bothers you, get another from an arms fair. But Dana Jones in "The Crown Jewels" writes that the disks were often removed, and a replacement will never be original to that rifle - and will not improve the accuracy either. Remove the incorrect disk - which is a fine example of how trying to recover a so-called "correct" configuration can lead to a falsification that actually has a negative effect - and enjoy your good luck!

"Under 2 inches at 200 yards" is what matters, not a bit of often-faked brass.

[Badger]

Example from MKL entry in Sweden library ...

1899 M38B (M96/38) Swedish Mauser Short Rifle

Disc information only valid at time measurements and observations were taken.

1. Torped (unmarked) = No difference between point of aim and point of impact when using m/41 bullet.

2. Bore measurement = 6.53mm

3. #1 marked bore condition (1,2,3) = "one or just a few dark areas in the corners between lands and grooves"

Also, refer to information on Dutchman's excellent web site ..

"The most common of the bore discs. The range of numbers from 6.46 to 6.59mm refers to the diameter of the bore. The increments are very nearly spaced .0004" apart, or 4 ten-thousandths of an inch.

This disc is marked at 6.52mm. The pie-shape with 1-2-3 refers to the amount of -rust- observed in the bore, though I've never seen -rust- in the bore of a Swedish Mauser. This disc is marked a #1, which is better than #2. The Swedes had certain standards for acceptable wear in their rifles, but it's almost unheard of to see a Swede barrel that's worn out.

The lower section is mostly unused. "Torped" refers to the boat-tail 139gr m/41 bullet. "Overslag" refers to over shooting, and the "str" is abbreviated for streck. There are 6300 streck in a circle. One streck equals .1m at 100 meters. This is really an indication of how high a bullet will strike the target in relation to point-of-aim."

Swedish Butt Discs

Regards,
Doug

[Chris B.]

Thanks for the info. I will be looking for that book this weekend. I went out and removed the stock disk and it looks like it had a unit disk on it some time ago. I will leave it off and call that good.

Chris