2 groove barrel on No.4 Mk1 Savage

[jona]

Six groove barrels were a substitute barrel and showed up throughout the entire Savage No. 4 production. I believe they were a machine gun barrel adapted for the No. 4 when needed.

[Detroit-1]

Can we hear from owners of No.4 MK1's that are not FTR's that have six groove barrels?

[longshot1972]

Hey, was very interested to see that these six lug barrels all sort of pre-date 11C serial numbers (but possibly post date 0C #s). My Savage No'4 Mk.1 is an all serial numbers matching, no asterisk (with the thumb-catch bolt release) serial number 10C that has a six-lug barrel. After reading these posts, and searching for years (Duh, I just joined this forum yesterday and am quite happy with the results so far) I am more than personally satisfied that this was a standard barrel for that serial number range.

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Wouldn't a barrel destined for a machine gun require a higher BNP ?

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Wouldn't a machine gun barrel require a higher BNP?

[martins8589]

I have a Savage 1942 No4MKI action with matching bolt. It has no "US Property" markings on it. Ha an early longbranch cocking lug. Serial No is in the 9C range.

[Lee Enfield]

I have a Savage 1942 No4MKI action with matching bolt. It has no "US Property" markings on it. Ha an early longbranch cocking lug. Serial No is in the 9C range.

This three year old thread was about barrel rifling grooves.

How many grooves does your barrel have?

Is your (button type mkI?) cocking piece long branch marked? Or long branch "style"?

If your rifle doesn't have "US Property" marked on the angled portion of the side wall it has been removed at some point.

[browningautorifle]

I have a Savage 1942 No4MKI action with matching bolt.

Why didn't you just start a new thread instead of resurrecting this old thing?

[Phantom Man]

I have a 1942 No4 MKL* with a replacement 2 groove. The rifle went through a Fazakerley repair as a post war stock dated '49 that is serialed to the rifle along with Faz sight, bolt among others.But no FTR markings. The barrel is in un-shot condition and has a brilliant shine but has not been polished as tooling marks are untouched. No identifying other than a 20 on barrel. Front sight is 'DOW' stamped.

[Alan de Enfield]

I have a 1942 No4 MKL* with a replacement 2 groove. The rifle went through a Fazakerley repair as a post war stock dated '49 that is serialed to the rifle along with Faz sight, bolt among others.But no FTR markings. The barrel is in un-shot condition and has a brilliant shine but has not been polished as tooling marks are untouched. No identifying other than a 20 on barrel. Front sight is 'DOW' stamped.

I think that the rifle may have had a bit of 'molesting' by a Civilian - I cannot imagine any way that a South African (DOW) sight would be put on during a (non-marked) Fazakerley FTR / Rebuild

[Brian Dick]

I think jona is confusing the six groove Savage barrels with the post WW2 Canadian Arsenals six groove barrels in post #11 which were rifled on Bren gun tooling that went to CAL from Inglis after the war. I've had a pile of Savage rifles and have only seen six groove barrels on 1941 and very early 1942 dated rifles. That doesn't mean the odd one wasn't used later but not in quantity I'd think. The early Savage six groove barrels were rifled using tooling from French Lebel production according to Skennerton. If memory serves, the twist rate was a bit faster or slower, (can't remember which), but still close enough to make the British inspectors happy in a pinch. I still have one 1941 date Savage No.4Mk.1T, sn. 0C160 so equipped and another service rifle with one dated 1942 out of South African service, sn. 6C2548.

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AdE, I'd bet PM's rifle is a South African owned rifle as imported by Interarms in the early 1990's. I had 400 of them from a big distributor in Chapin, SC who's now gone bankrupt. There was a block of 33 that were Savage but most were ROF(F) with a sprinklng of ROF(M), BSA and just a few Long Branch. I kept one dated 1942. Several rifles were rebarreled in South Africa and there were some DOW marked replacement parts present. There were a couple that had been "tuned" a bit for what I'd guess was inter service rifle competition. Brian

[Alan de Enfield]

[/COLOR]AdE, I'd bet PM's rifle is a South African owned rifle as imported by Interarms in the early 1990's. I had 400 of them from a big distributor in Chapin, SC who's now gone bankrupt. There was a block of 33 that were Savage but most were ROF(F) with a sprinklng of ROF(M), BSA and just a few Long Branch. I kept one dated 1942. Several rifles were rebarreled in South Africa and there were some DOW marked replacement parts present. There were a couple that had been "tuned" a bit for what I'd guess was inter service rifle competition. Brian

I had thought of some SA connection but, if it was SA 'owned' would it not have had SA markings ? (U etc etc)