Springfield M1922 M1.1 Questions

[dtdtdtdt]

I just got a nice 1922M1.1 that has a Timney trigger installed. I am thinking about restoring it to the original trigger type. I think it is a regular Springfield type 2-stage trigger used on the 03, 03A3, and 1917. I have one of these in stock so it would be an easy swap out.

Am I right???

The only problem I have found with the rifle is a loose Lyman front sight (fixed with a twist of a screwdriver), loose screws on the Lyman rear sight with the rear sight windage knob screw slot broken. I believe it is a 1-72, 2-64, or 2-56. The 2-56 just starts but won't advance. I measured the diameter of the screw (0.0765) which seems to be about right for a 2.

Can anyone tell me the correct size before I forge ahead and mess something up???

I also have a very nice apparently original 1922M2.

My intent is to use the first one as a shooter for a while and keep the other as a safe queen for now. Both are really clean and well cared-for.

I got both from a nephew who is in divorce financial trouble so helped him out.

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[Herschel]

The 1903 trigger is the same and should work. The correct trigger will have the grooves in the front. I am not familiar with the aftermarket triggers. I believe some are wider and may have required some removal of wood to get the action into the receiver. That should not prevent you from replacing the aftermarket with an original type trigger. Congratulations on the buys.

[dtdtdtdt]

Herschel: Thanks for the information. Now I have to find my trigger!! Now that I think about it, the one I have is from a 1917. It might be longer because of the deeper magazine well of the 1917.

I put a Timney in my sporterized 1917 some time ago when I was upgrading a very badly butchered sporterization job done years ago - not by me! With a new stock (Bell&Carlson) and the Timney trigger its accuracy improved substantially. I did have to remove some material to get it in without binding.

Dave

[Cosine26]

It has been about 50 years since I last installed a Timney trigger in a M1903 type action and I believe that the Timney has been modified several times since then. Due to the way the trigger operated in those days, the sear on the Timney was between 3/8 inch and ½ inch long. This necessitated opening up the sear opening in the receiver, which I believe, removed the fulcrum point on the receiver for the standard military trigger. Installation of the Timney trigger required the removal of some wood in the trigger area of the stock. If you have an unaltered M1917 trigger, it will be too long to fit in your stock.
Hope this helps

[dtdtdtdt]

Thanks, Cosine. I will proceed with caution. The Timney I installed on my 1917 didn't require any metal work changes but did require removing some wood in the stock. Hopefully I can drop an O3 trigger directly in the 1922. The more I think about it, I am sure the 1917 trigger that I have will be too long. Oh well, something to look for at gunshows. Since I "need" little else it will help the winter pass with a difficult quest. (GRIN) Being retired sure changes priorities.

[Cosine26]

dtdtdtdt
As I indicted previously, Timney triggers have been modified over the years. I have seen some with sliding-slotted sears that did not require opening up the receivers. I have also mounted Timneys on M1917 and Remington 30S receivers and they did not require any receiver modifications. The best advice I can give you is to try an issue trigger and sear and see if it works. I do not know what these parts are selling for now days but they should not be too expensive. It is possible to get a good trigger pull on an M2 using the issues trigger.
Best of luck.

[dtdtdtdt]

Regarding the sight screw, I figured out that it was a 1-72 and found taps to clean the thread and screws to put in. Unfortunately, I couldn't find a slotted plug or set screw to use so used a very small fillister head screw to replace it. It seems to hold position but doesn't give a "click." I will see how it does shooting. If a problem, I will figure out how to fix that too.

Trigger? I have to look in my junk box to see if I have an 03 trigger. I know I have a 17 trigger.

Thanks for the comments. I will let you all know how it works out!!

[dtdtdtdt]

Thought you might like to know.

I took both 1922's to the range last week. The M1.1 with the sight screw issues zeroed in at 50 yards with little problem and shot groups about 0.5 inches in some wind. That is, when I DID MY JOB properly. I was having trouble with the tiny rear aperture and the front aperture was a bit too small. I'll have to find some more inserts. The M2 shot well at 100 yds (and was nearly zeroed for that range when I got it.) Again the aperture sizes gave me some grief so it wasn't as good as I would have hoped (about 3" for 5 shots. I was using some Federal Target Grade ammunition (1250fps.) The wind was also a factor. I might take them back sometime later during a more still morning. On the other hand, the groups are quite good for 80 year old rifles!

The third rifle I took was a Remington 40x in 22lr with a 24x scope. I shot it at 200 yds in some heavier wind (later in the day.) Again groups could have been better but I held all shots in an 8" black (about 50 rounds) That included some sight adjustments. A couple guys that I shoot with are doing 200yd 22LR shooting as a "cheaper" version of 1000 yd competition. It could be interesting. I am going to have to do more of that!!!