No5 Mk1 some pictures

[Mikesm44]

Hello. This is my first ever No5. I have had a Savage No4 for some years now, but never saw a No5 I could afford. Then last weekend at a gun show I traded a guy 2 revolvers for this, a Nagant and a Taurus in .38 special. I think I did very well. I believe it is a Fazakerley as everything is F marked. It is not as heavy in proofmarks as I have seen on some others, but the -> is on every single part and there are a few little crowns. Most of the markings are hard to read, and I can't make them out even with a magnifying glass. I have had to use my camera and blow up the pictures on my tv to read them. That being said, FMP is clearly stamped on it. I believe this is for the Federal Malaysia Police.

It seems to be in good condition, but I have a feeling it has been blued or something recently. The front sight protector is broken and there is what I think is someones attempt to solder it back together, a drip hanging off of the barrel. It seems however to be underneath the blueing. Also, the buttstock and rubberized pad do not seem to be lining up flush. I have never seen one that looked sloppy like that before. Well, as they say "pictures are wort a thousand" so here are some pics...

Attachment 46170Attachment 46179I believe it reads,
No5 Mk1 ROF (F)
4/46 V6544
If anyone can make it out better than I can that would be great.
Attachment 46178 The magazine clearly does not match the rifle. The serials are different, and it seems to be older. It reads SMC? Or maybe SMO?

Attachment 46177 Here is the buttstock. It also seems to have some pins in it. I do not know if that is normal.

Attachment 46176
Attachment 46175Attachment 46174 You can see the broken sight guard. Also you can see the "drip" I was talking about.

Attachment 46173Attachment 46172Attachment 46171Attachment 46167Attachment 46168

Attachment 46169 F is marked everywhere. This seems to be "F/F". Hard to tell.

Attachment 46180

Thank you all for taking a look, and any information you can give me. Sorry if I have some silly questions this is my first Jungle Carbine.

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[Peter Laidler]

Federation of Malaya Police. Seen and fixed zillions of them! Broken foresight protectors - ten a penny and fixed zillions of them too. Been written up here what our repair was, which was very successful but maybe not the best loooking repair in the world. But we didn't go big on aesthetics over functionality. Magazine Singer Manufacturing Company (of singer sewing machines fame) The FF is in fact FY as an abbreviation for Fazakerley.

The wood dowels in the butt indicate that this is a later butt, converted from No4 by Westley Richards (? or so we were lead to believe.....) who also converted fore-ends too and were supplied to refurbish zillions of No5's for the Crown Agents programme of the time. Fitted in the lateish 60's or so.

Most of this and the q's that you asked have been covered many times on this very forum. Time for a long trawl through I suggest

Next question.........

[Mikesm44]

Wow. You are an encyclopedia. I never knew Singer made Enfield magazines before. They made stuff for everyone back then.

Can you answer my question about the drip on the muzzle? Is it part of the repair you are talking about or something else?

Thank you again.

[Peter Laidler]

The drip on the muzzle....... If a flash eliminator was a tad loose, they were tinned in place with soft solder, aligned and then re-reamed and pinned. I suspect that yours was tinned in place, probably at a big workshop in the Far East (I suspect at 40 Base Workshop on the Ayer Rajah Road or at 13 Infantry Workshop up country if you're thinking of popping in for a chat sometime!). After the foresight protector broke, someone has tried to heat it up and the tin has run out of the joint. Just my opinion I have to say.

The BIGGEST offender for those ears breaking off is then being layed on the floor of the big Bedford trucks (there were some armoured bodies ones too....) and sliding about. A journey on crap roads and laterite tracks made to destroy rifles including L1A1 flash eliminators and similar foresight protectors!

[Mikesm44]

Oh okay. That makes sense.

Also, as a side note, my father was a big fan of MG's when I was growing up. He always had to have one until one day my mother was driving one, a convertible in the rain when it stalled out. After that we always had sedans and mini vans and "sensible" cars like that. I miss those things. Hardly ever see them anymore.

[Peter Laidler]

You really shouldn't miss seeing cars like MG's Mike. We thought that they were made from water soluble steel. In Australia, we used to say that they came over as deck cargo on submarines!

[Mikesm44]

Sometimes sentimentality does not stem from the practical. They did not seem like the best cars. I do remember pushing them for my dad quite a bit.

[gsimmons]

They got even better when they were taken over by British Leyland........

[HOOKED ON HISTORY]

Tangent alert! That aside anyone who does not like MGs has no soul.

[Peter Laidler]

I had a BIG monster engined factory Buick 3.5 litre V8 version. Went like a rocket sledge on rails. Shame about the bodies.........