Need an opinion on the last one..

[Peter Laidler]

But the top one in the photos doesn't seem to have the standard locking mech to lock it to the quite substantial bracket we see on the turret. It has a U shaped yoke and it was substantial too - as would be the recoil! The welding looks a bit rough too. Not like those Stokes we had and gave away. Last time I was at the Tank Mus. I see that they'd fitted them to a couple of needy vehicles. I think that they were bomb throwers as opposed to smoke. Can someone enlighten us?

[Anzac15]

Top one looks like a Jawa arm.

[Surpmil]

Top ones built on a Ross action

And from the photos I've seen they used brand new rifles for the damn things too. I wonder if the loading of the cartridge used had anything to do with it, as the Ross MkIII is almost impossible to blow up.

[Beerhunter]

But the leather pouch part was retained for the L1A1 launcher. That's presumably the reason that the No4 launchers are quite common but the pouches are hard to find.

I'm rich!

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[Peter Laidler]

Since there was no reply about the querie regarding whether the top photo was a 4" smoke discharger or a bomb thrower - well, I've been back through the relevant EMER's, EMER V-220 if you're interested and they are indeed DISCHARGER, smoke generator. And there's 4 variants
No2 Mk1 fitted to a No1 rifle body and breech with modified trigger guard, trigger and locking bolt (with half moon removed from axis shaft. Why, heaven only knows!). Fired from inside the turret.
No2 Mk2. Same as Mk1 except parts identical to standard rifle parts. Discharger is fired from inside the vehicle. The actual vehicle turret is the 'mount'.
No3 Mk1 Fabricated, folded skeleton type mechanism. Fired by cable or simple trigger. Fitted inside or outside of vehicle as No2 Mk1 or 2
No4 Mk1 Built on the Rifle No3 action.

There is no mention of any other type but on the basis that the No2 Mk2 type is fitted through the vehicle armour and is bolted against the vehicle between the breeching up ring and the discharger cup, then it would appear that the top weapon of the photo is based on the No2 Mk2 variant

There, another few bits of totally useless Lee Enfield information!

But before I go, does anyone actually own one of these strange Lee Enfield variants?

[Surpmil]

A little casual googling shows that cartridges headstamped "E" were for smoke discharger use which suggests a special loading, presumably more powerful than normal. The cup on the discharger built on the Ross action is obviously much larger than the infantry model cups

[Peter Laidler]

The smoke discharger from the 4" cup was propelled some 100 - 110 yards and started to smoke at 35 yards from the cup according to the EMER

[Peter Laidler]

In an uncanny quirk, I actually saw one of the 4" DISCHARGER smoke generator No2 Mk2 with someone the other day. He really didn't know what it was nor what to do with it. It was one of the STOKES made/converted ones that he THINKS came from an old Daimler Armoured car in the 50's when the hull was used as a prime-mover on a farm! I can only assume that 4" smoke generator cartridges are no longer available!

[CINDERS]

Are blimey your all sooks my Uncle fired an M-36 from the grenade launcher configuration from his as issued Lee Metford in WW II from the shoulder in his words sat him on his rectum as DADS he forgot the instructions invert the rifle and place the butt on the ground and gestamate the angle of the dangle........