Rare Parker Hale WW1 Sniper Scope

[Alan de Enfield]

That very, very rare WW1 Parker Hale Sniper No53 scope with PH mounts is back on 'that site' A bargain at £350

vintage ww1 Parker hale sniper scope with parker hale mounts | eBay


Unless he has a stock of them the buyer must have found out he was conned and returned it

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[Ridolpho]

Alan de E: There is a Periscopic Prism scope up for grabs as well as two No. 32's (on e-bay). I was hoping someone would comment on the PP. I'm unsure how to attach a link to this- just do a search for "WW1 sniper" on e-bay.

Ridolpho

WW1 Sniper Scope Periscopic Prism Company London Very RARE Scope British | eBay

[Alan de Enfield]

Ridolpho- the point of my post was that this item has been listed before, and again is being wrongly described :

1) It is not manufactured by Parker Hale
2) Parker Hale did not even exist during WW1
3) The No53 scope is a WW2 item and not a WW1 item

Last time it was listed I mailed the seller (as I believe several others here did also) and informed him that his description was incorrect but I received no reply.

Some poor 'newbie' trying to get into Enfields will be convinced he has a bargain scope to put onto his No4 rifle

[Ridolpho]

Alan: Yes, I understand. I mentioned the others as the PP is what WW1 scopes really look like and the relationship of the scope in question to the WW2 vintage No. 32's is self evident which may be of help to newcomers.

Ridolpho

[Beerhunter]

Last time it was listed I mailed the seller (as I believe several others here did also) and informed him that his description was incorrect but I received no reply.

I got a reply but, apparently, I don't know what I am talking about.

[Peter Laidler]

I told him that it was from a Churchill Mk7 gun tank and was told that I was talking pure horse manure. That they didn't have Churchills in WW1! Well, you can't win them all I suppose

[Gil Boyd]

Alan,
Having just finished an article about Parker Hale Limited, and so I can confirm that they began manufacturing high quality precision shooting accessories in the heart of the gun-making quarter of Birmingham in the year 1880. The founder of course was Alfred Gray Parker.
So they were established before WW1 and by the time the war arrived had a great deal of credibility.
However, I still wouldn't buy that sight for reasons that have been covered enough times on this site

[Beerhunter]

Having just finished an article about Parker Hale Limited, and so I can confirm that they began manufacturing high quality precision shooting accessories in the heart of the gun-making quarter of Birmingham in the year 1880.

As Parker-Hale? I always thought that although Hale joined the company prior to the Great War, the name change to Parker-Hale did not happen until sometime between the wars. Or is that incorrect.

[Gil Boyd]

As written............. Parker Hale founded officially in 1880.
It was 1914 whilst the company had enjoyed recognition within the Gun Quarter of Birmingham and became a recognised player in firearms and munitions, that the company's small manufacturing base received orders from the Ministry of Munitions for training rifles and aids to improve the riflemans skills.

I cover this in more detail in my article about the M85 v the L96 Army contract and why the M85 lost out in 1985 which I will hopefully place on the site soon with agreement of the headshed on Milsurps. I have included in that article how the British Army got to where it was as 1900 arrived.

The Parker Hale rifling manufacturing processes, coupled with the Hiscock-Parker magazine, enabled existing service rifles to be easily converted to .22 calibre for teaching recruits to shoot correctly, a weakness spotted by senior ranks in the Army at the time.

Hope that helps

[Beerhunter]

Hope that helps

Not really. I am still confused.

Are you saying that the company was founded in 1880 AS Parker-Hale and NOT AG Parker, which is what I have thought to be the case for many years.

The point being of course that if the company did not change its name to Parker-Hale until sometime between the wars, then any equipment manufactured prior to that would be marked "AGP" or "AG Parker".

Some references may help with my confusion.