+ Reply to Thread
Results 1 to 8 of 8

Thread: This is a really curious one

Click here to increase the font size Click here to reduce the font size
  1. #1
    Legacy Member Steve H. in N.Y.'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Last On
    Today @ 10:37 AM
    Location
    You get one guess
    Posts
    525
    Local Date
    04-26-2024
    Local Time
    11:52 AM

    This is a really curious one

    My guess is a No.8 with a No.7 muzzle section spliced to the barrel with some lathe work. What they call a "pit ring" in the bore could be a seam. Shortened No.4 front wood. Looks well done. Any thoughts?

    SMLE No. 8 MK 1 .22 LR Rifle 22 : Curios & Relics at GunBroker.com
    Information
    Warning: This is a relatively older thread
    This discussion is older than 360 days. Some information contained in it may no longer be current.

  2. # ADS
    Friends and Sponsors
    Join Date
    October 2006
    Location
    Milsurps.Com
    Posts
    All Threads
    A Collector's View - The SMLE Short Magazine Lee Enfield 1903-1989. It is 300 8.5x11 inch pages with 1,000+ photo’s, most in color, and each book is serial-numbered.  Covering the SMLE from 1903 to the end of production in India in 1989 it looks at how each model differs and manufacturer differences from a collecting point of view along with the major accessories that could be attached to the rifle. For the record this is not a moneymaker, I hope just to break even, eventually, at $80/book plus shipping.  In the USA shipping is $5.00 for media mail.  I will accept PayPal, Zelle, MO and good old checks (and cash if you want to stop by for a tour!).  CLICK BANNER to send me a PM for International pricing and shipping. Manufacturer of various vintage rifle scopes for the 1903 such as our M73G4 (reproduction of the Weaver 330C) and Malcolm 8X Gen II (Unertl reproduction). Several of our scopes are used in the CMP Vintage Sniper competition on top of 1903 rifles. Brian Dick ... BDL Ltd. - Specializing in British and Commonwealth weapons Specializing in premium ammunition and reloading components. Your source for the finest in High Power Competition Gear. Here at T-bones Shipwrighting we specialise in vintage service rifle: re-barrelling, bedding, repairs, modifications and accurizing. We also provide importation services for firearms, parts and weapons, for both private or commercial businesses.
     

  3. #2
    Advisory Panel Patrick Chadwick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Last On
    06-25-2023 @ 06:36 AM
    Location
    Germany
    Posts
    5,032
    Local Date
    04-26-2024
    Local Time
    05:52 PM
    Curious indeed! Putting a No. 4 next to a No. 8, I think you may well be right. But the rifling in the 2 sections would not match up - could not match up, as the add-on muzzle has to be set so that the bayonet lugs have the correct orientation. So the front section of the muzzle, if indeed from a No.7, would have to be counterbored to allow the bullet free flight.

    But why waste a No.7 barrel like that - maybe the front barrel section is from a No.4. Much easier to get hold of a scrap No. 4 than a No. 7 barrel, surely?

    I really would have liked to have that rifle in my hands for a few minutes, to see how it was done!
    Last edited by Patrick Chadwick; 01-13-2014 at 03:58 PM.

  4. Avoid Ads - Become a Contributing Member - Click HERE
  5. #3
    Advisory Panel Patrick Chadwick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Last On
    06-25-2023 @ 06:36 AM
    Location
    Germany
    Posts
    5,032
    Local Date
    04-26-2024
    Local Time
    05:52 PM
    Another couple of thoughts:

    1) If you're going to all that trouble to make a "No.7-1/2", why fit a crummy flip sight onto what is basically a precision .22?

    2) It would also be easy to make the add-on muzzle section long enough to produce the full Mk.4 length, mount the No.8 sight block on a simple turned sleeve* over the No.4 barrel section at the correct distance from the receiver, and then fit the front end wood without any alteration. IMOH, easier than altering the wood.
    - Perhaps that is what was done. Are you sure that the wood has been shortened?***

    *Which is what I did to smuggle a No.4 front sight onto my Martini-Henry.

    *** Just measured up the photos, you are correct, the wood was shortened. Curiouser and curiouser!
    Last edited by Patrick Chadwick; 01-13-2014 at 04:16 PM.

  6. #4
    Administrator

    Site Owner
    Badger's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Last On
    @
    Location
    Toronto, Canada
    Age
    75
    Posts
    12,944
    Real Name
    Doug
    Local Date
    04-26-2024
    Local Time
    11:52 AM
    My Videos in Video Club
    12
    Saved this auction content for posterity and future research ..

    SMLE No. 8 MK 1 .22 LR Rifle

    Item sold for $626.22 U.S.

    This No. 8 MK 1 Long Branch .22 LR Caliber Bolt Action Rifle has an overall length of 42-1/4”. The rifle has a 23” barrel with a front sight, 10 round magazine, leather sling, stock with brass trapdoor buttplate, forestock and handguards with rivets.

    The left side of the receiver is stamped “22 NO.8 MK 1” with the serial number underneath it. The wrist guard is marked "F 50 CR 324". The bolt and receiver have matching serial number “A317-”. The rifled bore is clean and shiny, but it has a pit ring about 5” from the muzzle. Most of the metal components have a black finish, surface wear, and rust spots.

    The leather sling is dry and shows wear. There are proof marks on the grip of the stock. There are nicks, dents, and scratches on the wood. The rifle passed the safety check and test-fire, but it has not been completely taken apart in order to inspect each individual piece. There may be some variations in the description due to this. Overall, the rifle is in good used condition for its age. Please check the photos below. Sold As-Is.

    We recently acquired this rifle from the estate of an avid firearm enthusiast whose fascination with collecting firearms spanned over 60 years. We will continuously be offering gems from this extensive collection, so check our auctions frequently.

  7. #5
    Advisory Panel
    Peter Laidler's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Last On
    04-13-2024 @ 05:00 AM
    Location
    Abingdon, Oxfordshire. The home of MG Cars
    Posts
    16,510
    Real Name
    Peter Laidler
    Local Date
    04-26-2024
    Local Time
    04:52 PM
    I think he's acquired a bog standard but bare No8 body, barrel, bolt and triggter mech from one of the stripped rifles used as a sub calibre for the 120mm tank gun. Found it impossible to get any spares. Discovered that it's similar to a No4 so sleeved a bit of unserviceable barrel onto the end of the No8 barrel and cobbled together a sleeve affair to fit the slightly larger No8 foresight block band to the No4 barrel. Then fitted some gash No4 woodwork

    The magazine is a red herring because the No8 has a special feed tray that incorporates the ejector. If you don't use the feed tray (retained by two pins and matched to the rifle so DON'T mix it up!) there is no ejection.

  8. #6
    Legacy Member Steve H. in N.Y.'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Last On
    Today @ 10:37 AM
    Location
    You get one guess
    Posts
    525
    Local Date
    04-26-2024
    Local Time
    11:52 AM
    Thread Starter
    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Chadwick View Post
    I really would have liked to have that rifle in my hands for a few minutes, to see how it was done!
    Me too! The fore wood looks a little short to me. It would have to be about 2 inches shorter if the front sight is in it's original spot.
    Last edited by Steve H. in N.Y.; 01-13-2014 at 05:33 PM.

  9. #7
    Legacy Member Brit plumber's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Last On
    04-16-2024 @ 02:22 PM
    Posts
    1,807
    Local Date
    04-26-2024
    Local Time
    04:52 PM
    I see the seller is selling it as a Long Branch and no one ever told me that they made a No.5 body, only No.4s

  10. #8
    FREE MEMBER
    NO Posting or PM's Allowed
    A square 10's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Last On
    09-04-2017 @ 09:01 PM
    Location
    minnesota USA
    Age
    73
    Posts
    847
    Local Date
    04-26-2024
    Local Time
    10:52 AM
    interesting that they tell you what it says but wont produce a photo that proves it .... just sayin , its not that hard to take good photos if your trying hard , hiding things on the other hand ...

+ Reply to Thread

Similar Threads

  1. Curious about marks on Winchester P14
    By Ridolpho in forum Pattern 1913/1914 and M1917 Rifles
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 06-27-2013, 09:07 AM
  2. Just curious about this barrel band
    By LeagleEagle in forum M1/M2 Carbine
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 06-27-2010, 11:06 PM
  3. Inherited a M1 - Curious what I have
    By formulaforspeed in forum M1/M2 Carbine
    Replies: 14
    Last Post: 09-11-2009, 07:26 PM
  4. Curious Inland
    By usmc69 in forum M1/M2 Carbine
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: 06-13-2009, 10:24 PM

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts