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It's an Owen SMG bayonet scabbard.
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I believe that. But I also saw them in intermediate lengths.
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How the steel scabbards were produced.
While I was preparing the bayonet for the 'THE ANATOMY OF A BAYONET' display at Warminster I found a few other odds and sods in the box of bits that'd come from Enfield. There were a few stages in the manufacture of the steel scabbards. They started as a thin walled tube, cut to approx 8.5" length and then the last 2.5" or so was rolled between a series of rollers down to a quite severe taper, tapering down to a dia of about .3". This round tapered tube was then passed or squeezed between parallel rollers to form the classic shape. It looked like a shaped former was pressed into the mouthpiece to give it a correct size for the mouthpiece and spring and then the frog button brazed on at the same time as the tip. From then on, just the usual phosphate and paint. No doubt the outside contractors had their own different methods
Anyway, just another bit of useless Enfield related stuff...........
Quite interesting from my old engineering point of view
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I believe that. But I also saw them in intermediate lengths.
That's because Oz made a bunch of different length bayonets for the No.6 Series (and Owen).
Somewhere here I have a new, unused edition of one of the short scabbards, but sadly, no bayonet.
Bayonets for the Oz No.6 are readily identifiable by having a large ring to fit the conical, No5 style flash "hider", BUT the sword-bar slot of a standard Patt. '07 (as opposed to the "round" hole for the No5 sword bar.) They also have standard '07 wooden grip panels. There are a FEW "full length" '07s floating around that have been fitted with a new quillon that fits the large No6 flash hider diameter.
"Proper" Owen bayonets are also bog standard '07 from pommel to quillon. Early models have a blade that is simply remodeled from a "full" '07 and the fullers run through to the tip. Later variants are a little more "refined".
"Owen Gun" bayonets are also closely related to the various "experimental" blades produced for the equally experimental Australian
"shortened and lightened" carbine. This bayonet, of course, has a standard SMLE nosecap and thus, bayonet mounting.
This, naturally, leads into the wonderful "machete" bayonet, or "Bayonet, Parachutist" as it is correctly described. (See drawing No. ADD (S) 23.100 (SHF)). And if you think authentic scabbards for the "shortened" Oz '07s are a challenge, try finding an ORIGINAL reinforced canvas job for the "Parachutist" model.
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Attachment 49122
An Australian made scabbard for sure (OA) but shortened further I think.
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Originally Posted by
Bruce_in_Oz
"Proper" Owen bayonets
I had two Owen bayonets, one cut down and one original. I had the scabbards for both.
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Is there any way of identifyiung a real factory Owen bayonet as in bayonet 3 above as opposed to something similar but cut down at home by a budding forger. Apart from the obvious fuller of course?
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It was marked by OA as well and had all the proof marks...
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I've only encountered the shortened scabbards on No.7Mk.1 bayonets I've picked up over the years. The scabbards appear "factory made" and are for the 8" blade. They may have been assembled by U.S. importers back in the day. A barrel of No.9 and No.7 bayonets and a barrel full of scabbards that fit!! Put them together and "Bob's your Uncle". As mentioned above, the No.5Mk.1 scabbards were retained when the older bayonets were sold off. Even long after the L1A1 became obsolete, the metal scabbards still remain hard to find to this day.
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