No.4 Mk.1 Sniper manuals

[Randy A]

Are there and manuals or reproductions of, for the No.4 Mk.1 sniper? I'm not familiar with the Canadian military's literature, system but I'd like to find any technical manuals for care and operation of the above rifle and accessories, scope etc. even electronic, like pdf. if nothing.
Thank you,

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[Nigel]

Short answer - Yes. MTP 44 was a not very good little pamphlet originaly published in 1940 covered the P14(T) and (T)A with the Aldis. This soldiered on until 1944 with the inroduction of Army Training Instruction No.9 which replaced MTP44. This was only a 22 page item published in April just in time for D-Day and has instructions for zeroing the No.32 Mk1 and Mk2 sights. There was also a supplement for the normal Rifle pamphlet SAT Vol 1 Pamphlet No.3 1942 Ammendments (No.1). which for the first time (June 1945) had zeroing instructions for all 3 marks of No.32. The next wartime pamphlet was SAT Vol. 1 Pamph. No.28, Sniping, written in 1945 but only printed in 1946. This is a very comprehensive pamphlet with 65 pages and again covers all three marks of No.32 plus the Sct Reg Spotting scope. I've actually had some of these reprinted if anyone wants one. Last and probably the most common is Pamphlet No.10 SNIPING printed in 1951, 142 pages but only mentions the Mk2 and Mk3 scopes. See the pictures. I'll get round to taking pics of some of the others and will post later. Note the seldom seen Canadian 1951 copy of our 1951 pamphlet.

[Son]

Nigel, Do copies of MTP44 come up at all or are there reproduction copies available? Looking for any literature on the No3T... Would you know what (if any) were issued in Australia with our No3T rifles?

Thank you for any help...

[Badger]

Check the MKL, as there a lot of information, articles and manuals available there.

For example..

1952 Instructional Pamphlet for No.4 Mk1(T) sniper rifle

Regards,
Doug

[Nigel]

I'm not aware of reproductions of MTP 44 exists and just a a few instructions on what become the Rifle No.3(T) and No.3(T)A if fitted with the offset Aldis. There is an Appendix showing how to zero the scope. Other publications to look out for are: 1. Small Arms Training Vol.1. 1924 which has quite a comprehensive section (18 pages) on the P14(T) with Model 1918 scope. The other publication is Fieldcraft Sniping and Intelligence by Lt Col Armstrong who was Canadian Army Chief Instructor, 2nd Army School of Sniping and then went on to the Canadian Corps School of Scouting, Observation and Sniping 1917-18. He also instructed at the Sniping Wing, Bisley during WW2. It must have been a popular publication because it ran to 5 editions. Very much written from a WW1 perspective but also has a section on the No.3(T). The other attachments show from the left the WW2 ATI 9, the ammendment to the SAT Rifle, Armstrong's book, 1924 book and last the front of MTP44 mentioned in my post above.

[Randy A]

Ok, so if a rifle has the No.32 Mk3 (only one ever used on it, original to the rifle), what would the date correct publication be for it? Looks like the No9 with suppliments, or would the SAT Vol. 1 Pamph. No.28 be right?

[Nigel]

I did say in my original post which pamphlets include all three marks of No.32. But to answer the question which include info for the No.32 Mk3 - the supplement for the normal Rifle pamphlet SAT Vol 1 Pamphlet No.3 1942 Ammendments (No.1). which for the first time (June 1945) had zeroing instructions for all 3 marks of No.32. The next wartime pamphlet was SAT Vol. 1 Pamph. No.28, Sniping, written in 1945 but only printed in 1946. This is a very comprehensive pamphlet with 65 pages and again covers all three marks of No.32 plus the Sct Reg Spotting scope. I've actually had some of these reprinted if anyone wants one. Last and probably the most common is Pamphlet No.10 SNIPING printed in 1951, 142 pages but only mentions the Mk2 and Mk3 scopes.

[Randy A]

Thank you Nigel

[Seaforth72]

If you can, find a copy, the "SHOOT TO LIVE - Presenting the Johnson Method of Musketry Coaching as adopted by the Canadian Army" published in 1945. It does not cover the sniping rifle variant but it does cover how to hold, shoot and zero the No. 4 Mk. I* rifle.

For those of you who have not trained with the old FN (C1A1, L1A1) or with Lee-Enfields in .303, this book can save you a LOT of pain. Modern soldiers place their rifles very high on the shoulder, on top of the collar bone, presumably because they are used to working around the body armour and as they ALL (regardless of country) seem to do it, I expect that it is now official procedure. I have seen photos of Regular Army instructors teaching the Canadian Rangers to shoot this way (without the armour) using old Lee-Enfield .303" rifles. Big mistake! The above book shows you how to correctly place a Lee-Enfield butt onto the muscle BELOW the collar bone. (see pp. 56-57 etc.)

By the way, if you are a re-enactor or movie actor, carry the rifle butt BELOW your armpit, not above the shoulder. Carrying it above the shoulder is a modern trend common with 5.56mm rifles and it stands out like a sore thumb as not being a WWII normal carry position.

[Badger]

If you can, find a copy, the "SHOOT TO LIVE - Presenting the Johnson Method of Musketry Coaching as adopted by the Canadian Army" published in 1945. It does not cover the sniping rifle variant but it does cover how to hold, shoot and zero the No. 4 Mk. I* rifle.

For those of you who have not trained with the old FN (C1A1, L1A1) or with Lee-Enfields in .303, this book can save you a LOT of pain. Modern soldiers place their rifles very high on the shoulder, on top of the collar bone, presumably because they are used to working around the body armour and as they ALL (regardless of country) seem to do it, I expect that it is now official procedure. I have seen photos of Regular Army instructors teaching the Canadian Rangers to shoot this way (without the armour) using old Lee-Enfield .303" rifles. Big mistake! The above book shows you how to correctly place a Lee-Enfield butt onto the muscle BELOW the collar bone. (see pp. 56-57 etc.)

That is one of the best books I've ever read (and trained with) on shooting the Enfield Rifle.

It's is available in electronic format, professionally scanned (thanks to Ian Robertson), in the Knowledge Library section Technical Articles for Milsurp Collectors and Re-loaders (click here)

"Shoot-to-Live" - 1945 (click here)

Presenting the Johnson Method of Musketry Coaching As Adopted By the Canadian Army, Ottawa, Chief of the General Staff.

Regards,
Doug