Long Branch L42A1 ???

[mudgee]

Reading though everything i have got (without warning etc) I have not been able to see if the Canadians used the L42A1 (except in trialing them against other sniper rifles) or even made the L42A1 rifle from all the long branch No4T rifle they had. Can anyone help me with this information or even suggest where i can find some pictures of these rifles.

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[Roger Payne]

Hi Mudgee,
There are probably others better qualified to comment on what happened in Canadian Trials & so forth (Warren?? Lee Enfield??), but to the best of my knowledge there was no conversion of LB 4T's to L42A1 configuration other than the few that were mixed in amongst all the other 4T's that were converted here in the UK between 1970 & the early 1980's.

Hope this helps.

ATB.

[Lee Enfield]

Reading though everything i have got (without warning etc) I have not been able to see if the Canadians used the L42A1 (except in trialing them against other sniper rifles) or even made the L42A1 rifle from all the long branch No4T rifle they had. Can anyone help me with this information or even suggest where i can find some pictures of these rifles.

Officially the No4MkI*(T) was replaced in Canadian service c.1959 with the C1A1 (L1A1 type rifle) equipped with a 4x Ernst Leitz Canada (became ELCAN) scope. As this was inadequate, c.1970 Canada trialed the L42 and a variety of other rifles (Winchester M70, Remington 700, Parker-Hale M82 ect) and scopes.

We adopted the Parker-Hale M.82 (1200TX) as the "C3" which was a Mauser 98 target rifle with the Kahles ZF69 6x scope.

c.1990 Canada began replacing the "C3" with the "C3A1" which was a Parker-Hale M.87 (solid top & reinforced Mauser 98 action) equipped with the Unertl 10x scope.

[Peter Laidler]

Roger is right. I seem to have read that Canada 'trialled' the L42 in name only and I'm not sure that they actually took any (Warren..., Lee Enfield..., Clive?). One stumbling block was that like the Australian L4 Bren episode, any L42 rifles procured by another nation had to come from Enfield. And thinking out aloud, on that basis, if you're going to have to buy second hand - or supply your old stocks to be converted to something done on the cheap, albeit GOOD cheap, then you might as well start with something new (at possibly the same or a similar price!). And eventually, P-H were only too happy to oblige.........

[mudgee]

Officially the No4MkI*(T) was replaced in Canadian service c.1959 with the C1A1 (L1A1 type rifle) equipped with a 4x Ernst Leitz Canada (became ELCAN) scope. As this was inadequate, c.1970 Canada trialed the L42 and a variety of other rifles (Winchester M70, Remington 700, Parker-Hale M82 ect) and scopes.

We adopted the Parker-Hale M.82 (1200TX) as the "C3" which was a Mauser 98 target rifle with the Kahles ZF69 6x scope.

c.1990 Canada began replacing the "C3" with the "C3A1" which was a Parker-Hale M.87 (solid top & reinforced Mauser 98 action) equipped with the Unertl 10x scope.

Lee Enfield,

As you say in 1970 they trialed the L42A1 would that have been a English rifle or a converted Long Branch?

[Lee Enfield]

Lee Enfield,

As you say in 1970 they trialed the L42A1 would that have been a English rifle or a converted Long Branch?

Whatever the British supplied for the trials.

[limpetmine]

Didn't Simon have a listing for a L-42 based on a Long Branch? I'll re read his thread, but I'm pretty sure I read that there.

[Roger Payne]

A few LB rifles were converted, but they were just in amongst the rest of the rifles converted by Enfield.

ATB

[Lee Enfield]

A few LB rifles were converted, but they were just in amongst the rest of the rifles converted by Enfield.

ATB

CAL was too busy building P.13 bayonets, M14 barrels and stocks for the Americans to bother with manufacturing (or re-manufacturing) Lee Enfields.

[mudgee]

[QUOTE=limpetmine;291249]Didn't Simon have a listing for a L-42 based on a Long Branch? I'll re read his thread, but I'm pretty sure I read that there.[/QUOTE

Limpetmine

Did you ever find that thread from Simon would be interested to see that thread myself.