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    "P" in a circle stamped on a No1Mk3 knox

    Hi folks,

    I desporterized an LSA No1Mk3 (no star) and am wondering if this this circled "P" is something someone recognizes:



    I tried our Great Wise Friend (Google) with no luck... thanks for any help!

    Lou

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    The best guess from the reference(s) I have (Which are guess without documentation):

    P = replacement barrel (However I have not seen one with a circle)

    * = Slight rust in barrel.

    I would be interested in knowing if the rifle has a replacement barrel to somewhat confirm it. Metal finish of the barrel look different from the receiver

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    The circle looks incomplete

    Could the P punch have been held at a slight angle and the edge of the punch has marked the action ?
    Is the left hand side of the P deeper than the right hand side ?
    Mine are not the best, but they are not too bad. I can think of lots of Enfields I'd rather have but instead of constantly striving for more, sometimes it's good to be satisfied with what one has...

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    Thanks for the input, guys.

    3mctoledo, I think it's a matched receiver / barrel; serial is the same and the digits seem to be very similar. Difference in blueing must be from a previous owner being very enthusiastic with steel wool or something like that (unfortunately)

    Alan, indeed the circled P was struck at a slight angle. I took the rear handguard off and noticed another star slightly ahead of the first one. Different style of star but a star nonetheless.


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    The star (*) at or on other parts of the barrel (Beside the knoxform) is where the slight rust is within the barrel. The more stars (*) in one spot I believe indicates the more severe the damage.

    * slight rust or pitting of the rifling or throat
    ** moderate rust or pitting of the rifling or throat
    *** heavy rust or pitting of the rifling or throat

    No idea on the circle P if not for a replacement barrel.

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    Kind of looks like P in a circle that you will find on US arms. It's a proof mark.

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    Capital P in a circle, Pakistan Ordnance factory ?

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    Check out the Pakistani No4 Mk 2 on the UKicon Knowledge Libraryicon, certain components are marked with a Capital P in a circle. Perhaps this LSA was FTR'd at Wah.

    1961 No.4 Mk2 (Mfg by Pakistani Ordnance Factory (POF) in 1961)
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    That's a very astute observation Steve.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevesmle View Post
    Capital P in a circle, Pakistan Ordnance factory ?
    I can't believe that it would have anything to do with a marking on an SMLE/No.1, but P in a circle was the logo of ROF Poole in Dorset, Englandicon.

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