Rubbing handguard?

[CINDERS]

what distance you fired those scatterings.

Best terminology I have heard in a long time for a rather dismal group......

[browningautorifle]

GENERAL DYNAMICS - Ordnance and Tactical Systems - Canada - Ammunition, Small Calibre

GENERAL DYNAMICS - Ordnance and Tactical Systems - Canada - CDN MK8Z and British Soft Point

Well, well, well...and how do you deal with these people? Any idea? If this ammo was available, I should think every dealer in Canada would not only know, but be carrying stock...?

I found this under their legal notices...GD-OTS Canada's products are destined exclusively to governmental, military and law enforcement agencies.

[Robert303]

It would be a long hard road but members of Parliament need to be reminded that tax payers for this ammo and should get the benifit when it is surplus. National shoting organisations should be asking why taxpayers are having to buy IMPORTED products when a Canadian factory is making the stuff! We should be doing the same in the UK in regard to Radway Green BAE owned but tax payer funded. The other way is to buy shares and just make a bloody nuisance of yourself at the AGM.

[Peter Laidler]

Good thought Rob but even if you ordered a million rounds of ammo, it'd take a day to produce that trifling amount and thay just ain't interested in the economics of a days work....... Take 9mm as a good example. If it's uneconomic to make that, what chance does .303 stand?

[CINDERS]

Peter if they opened the market to the world would there not be enough of us in the world shooting the ol' girls to fulfil 10-20 million round run?

[Peter Laidler]

Yep, you're right Cinders but someone would have to pay for it on delivery. And that's the hard bit.

But if you went to China or India, like the poms did to HXP in Greece, and told them what you wanted, I expect that they'd sell you all you wanted and at a good price.

The way things are at the moment, listening and reading here for example, it seems as though the manufacturers of .303" ball are telling YOU the shooters what you can have as opposed to you dictating to THEM what you really want! It reminds me of the days of Leyland cars........... The dealers showrooms were full of cars - but not the cars people wanted!

[browningautorifle]

I tend to agree with Robert303 here as far as I can understand...we have an ammunition company in Canada, I've walked the property, and they're capable of making everything from .22 to the largest arty ammo. Of course they used to make and commercially sell everything as well. Somewhere along the line someone decided it wasn't to be any more and it stopped. As far as I know, there's NO ONE making ammo in Canada on a commercial scale any more. That's sad, why pay import when we could be gleaning export from ammo demands... From what I could understand of IVI when I was there during the winter, they would run until the ammo contract was filled and then shut down completely. The fresh unmarked base of snow around all their facility attested to that. Just the test facility was operating, testing 20mm or 30mm...nothing else was happening.

[Peter Laidler]

Annanuvverfing that I learned from the ammo p[eople at RO when they had a 'small-order' facility for people like the Police and such like is that if you needed specialised stuff, it was cheaper to buy in components than produce on site. And their labour costs would hinder any pre manufacture costs that have to be added to the total cost. Actual manufacturing machine running time is cheap relatively speaking.

2 million rounds from Russia is the way to go

[Lee Enfield]

Well, well, well...and how do you deal with these people? Any idea? If this ammo was available, I should think every dealer in Canada would not only know, but be carrying stock...?

I found this under their legal notices...GD-OTS Canada's products are destined exclusively to governmental, military and law enforcement agencies.

It's Mk8 and I don't think there is any point unless you have a Vickers to run it out of

[browningautorifle]

They won't allow any sales of it anyway...