Question: Bayonet sale to buyer in Great Britain

[Brian Dick]

I hate to pxxx on your corn flakes. Bayonets DO require export licensing from the U.S. Department of Commerce, (BIS), for export out of the USA. Another little ITAR tidbit I learned about last year. Fun, ain't it?

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Almost forgot. They also require lodging with CBP/Census with an AES ITN prior to shipping.

[bigduke6]

I hate to pxxx on your corn flakes. Bayonets DO require export licensing from the U.S. Department of Commerce, (BIS), for export out of the USA. Another little ITAR tidbit I learned about last year. Fun, ain't it?

---------- Post added at 11:28 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:26 AM ----------

Almost forgot. They also require lodging with CBP/Census with an AES ITN prior to shipping.

Does this cover all bayonets Brian including antique ones ? or based on modern ones ?

[Peter Laidler]

Going back to item 6/page 1 in this thread. I took it upon mysel;f to write to the Royal Mail about this blanket ban on the sending of bayonets and other sharp things, such as scissors etc through the post here in the UK. I asked what happens if a bayonet or, say a xxxxxxg great sharp sword or sabre for an olympic fencer comes into the Country by post. It'll get stopped at Customs and a bit of duty due - and collected by the Royal Mail and................. Then what. According to their charter and 'lesson of conduct' they are legally bound to deliver the goods. Whether they are sharp or not is pretty academic. It'll be coloured crayons and felt-pens next

I'll let you know what they say but they ain't replied yet

[Brian Dick]

Well, all antique firearms shipments that don't require export licensing are controlled and require lodging with the AES ITN system so I'd say antique bayonets are licensable by BIS. I could be wrong because I haven't actually shipped any since I learned of all this.

[gew8805]

Thanks to everyone for all of your thoughts and advice. Brian, you in particular have given me a considerable amount of information to think about. However, in searching the BIS section of the U.S. Department of Commerce's website, I can find only the following items that must be considered in this matter:

Commerce Control List Categories

0 = Nuclear materials, facilities and equipment (and miscellaneous items)
1 = Materials, Chemicals, Microorganisms and Toxins
2 = Materials Processing
3 = Electronics
4 = Computers
5 = Telecommunications and Information Security
6 = Sensors and Lasers
7 = Navigation and Avionics
8 = Marine
9 = Propulsion Systems, Space Vehicles, and Related Equipment

Bayonets, especially antique bayonets, do not come up in any searches so it seems that it may be covered by the following statement:

If Your Item is Not on the Commerce Control List - EAR99

If your item falls under the jurisdiction of the U.S. Department of Commerce and is not listed on the CCL, it is designated as EAR99. The majority of commercial products are designated EAR99 and generally will not require a license to be exported or reexported. However, if you plan to export an EAR99 item to an embargoed or sanctioned country, to a party of concern, or in support of a prohibited end-use, you may be required to obtain a license.

Also, there is a minimum value of $2,500 listed (somewhere in all of the info, I can't remember where) that triggers requirements for licensing, taxing, etc. Now, I may be reading all of this wrong. The only relevant topic triggered in the search for "antique bayonet" and then "bayonet" was a link to the BATF that named what the requirements for importing and exporting firearms and ammunition, particularly antique firearms importation. All very confusing for my simple mind. I may have to call someone at the Department of Commerce, it all seems to be beyond my comprehension for a relatively low cost item like a single antique bayonet. Any thoughts? Most of these requirements seem to be aimed at businesses and manufacturers but maybe not.

My main concern when this all started was that the buyer might have difficulty receiving the item, but those fears were allayed buy Peter and the potential buyer and others (thanks Peter!) but now I have a concern that it may not make it out of the USA. Why do my cornflakes taste funny?

[Aragorn243]

From the list of controlled items:

0A918 Miscellaneous Military Equipment Not on the Wassenaar Munitions List

License Requirements

Reason for Control: RS, AT, UN
Control(s) Country Chart (See Supp. No. 1 to part 738)
RS applies to entire entry RS Column 2.
AT applies to entire entry AT Column 1.
UN applies to entire entry See §746.1(b) for UN controls.

List Based License Exceptions (See Part 740 for a description of all license exceptions)

LVS: $1500

GBS: N/A

CIV: N/A
List of Items Controlled

Related Controls: See ECCN 0A617.y.5 for items formerly controlled by ECCN 0A918.a.

Related Definitions: N/A

Items: Bayonets.

So, unless you sold your bayonet for $1500 or more, you should be good to go.

[Buntline]

Bayonet sale to buyer in Great Britain

Hi, I'm a very new member here but - I live in Britain & have recently bought a P1907 SMLE bayonet, via an internet search, from an American Militaria store. The tracking information says that it is currently being processed by UK customs. I can't say how long this will take but if I've heard nothing from them (as has happened with other things) by next Tuesday I'll be giving them a call. I'll keep you posted, though I realise this may be outside your time frame for this sale.
Jim.

[Buntline]

Where were all those other replies at lunchtime when I replied?

[gew8805]

Jim, you may have missed the second page, I do that all of the time.... Post a reply and then when it shows up I find that the question has already been answered but I missed it!

Thanks for your reply to the thread and do let us know how your purchase works out. I think I have finally worked things out and I will be taking the bayonet for weighing and shipping costs at the Post Office tomorrow.

[Buntline]

I've just paid the import VAT and handling charge and am expecting delivery on Tuesday. Not a word about what it is. By the way I'd like to commend you on still dealing with the chap in GB. There are others elsewhere who would have just sold to the home offer without second thought.