my current Lee Enfields ,Full bore

[CINDERS]

Yep and I have a Titan ICBM in my backyard silo that goes along with the C-130 Gunship I have parked in my driveway I do have trouble with the neighbours when cracking off a 105mm round
Now I seem to have misplaced the 1,000 sniper T's I had under my bed....
Me I do not care what ya have just respect the person telling their story, as I am just about to do a Dr Strangelove outa of a B-52

[Bindi2]

Forgive me but I did not react to the OP's post. My post was in answer to someone claiming that using the correct terminology doesn't matter. I think that it does and so does the British Army, e.g. "Today we had naming of parts."

Makes life a little easier for all when the correct term is used. I am looking for a rifle from a group of 4 variations where less than 200 were built in total and 50% of one group may have destroyed or modified for another reason. The wrong discription would have me doing an 8,000km trip for nothing. I have bought some books and still rereading them. The correct term for the P14 Mks 1 &1*was changed to No3 Mks 1 & 1* still commonly called P14. The Model 1917 has always been that. The Brits went to quite a bit of trouble to make sure they were identified correctly when they were in service together no good sending the wrong ammo. Poor terminology in supply would have been fatal.

[Peter Laidler]

What we ALL have to remember is that on this forum, we're dealing with these antipodeans........... And as I learned pretty fast, they say it as and how it is. For example........ When we were busy fitting up some cupola MG mounting kits on our Whites trucks, some of the instructions just didn't seem to make sense to a poor pom who was a lost soul trying to fathom out what went where with his new found antipodean work mates. But eager to learn, he said in exasperation words to the effect '........... we don't do it like that in England.........'

He didn't get the rest of the sentence out - but did quickly get to understand the rules on the antipodean side of the planet. And understood them thereafter. And he's STILL in friendly contact with them!

[Ridolpho]

It is definitely worthwhile learning the correct terminology for the rifles and their parts but it does take time and some effort. As an example of what the amateur collector (ie. me) is up against, there is a scholarly publication here in Canada titled "Defending the Dominion......." (*can't recall the author and am at work but it's still being printed and sold) which details history of use of arms by Canadian militias and army. It refers to the Model of 1917 as the "P17" a few dozen times but also quotes from Canadian EMER notes where the rifle is officially designated Rifle, Enfield, 30/06. Usually only by spending mucho tiempo on a quality forum like Milsurps does one pick up on these entrenched errors. Needless to say there is a very wide variation in the level of expertise amongst posters on the forum but I think all would agree we want to encourage anyone with an interest in Lee Enfields to participate. Personally I've owned enough Lee Enfields, and studied enough now to have climbed a fair way up the learning curve but- my first Krag is on its way via Canada Post and I'll be back to square one again.

Ridolpho

[Seaspriter]

I am so grateful for the extraordinary time, technical expertise, and dedication so many of the "league of masters" in the MilSurps community devote every day to helping the "amateur collector/restorer" community (this is me personified). There's not a day that goes by that I haven't learned from your insights, experience, knowledge, and trials/tragedies. Peter, Brian, Roger, Lee, Alan, and all the entourage from Britain, Canada, Australia, New Zeeland, and the US .... Thank you for your dedication.

I've learned from following lots of Enfield threads on this site that there are still many mysteries, contradictions, and anomalies that we have yet to unscramble...... to be an Enfield enthusiast you must have a strong tolerance for ambiguity, a very inquisitive nature coupled with an unceasing willingness to learn, a dose of humbleness, a love of history, and a sense of humor. Devoid of any of these, and your Enfield passion will diminish proportionately to your rising frustration.

As Ridolpho said so eloquently.

people get nervous about entering into a discussion for fear of being made to look silly over often cryptic and complex jargon.

I've learned there are basically 3 kinds of people that engage on this site: 1) the real experts (I don't qualify in this category and probably never will), 2) those seasoned enough to ask good questions and seek the wisdom of the masters (hopefully I'm in this category), and 3) the seekers who are sometimes early stage in their learning and sometimes very inarticulate and have not honed their insights well enough to be able to express what they need or want. It is this latter category that can, understandably, frustrate the experts with their seemingly inarticulate questions, misconceptions, differences between American and English designations, and transfer of terminology from one type of weapon to another. Enfields have their own unique language/terminology (like strikers versus firing pins, or chargers versus clips, etc.) which can get confusing if you also collect Colts, M-1s, Springfields or Winchesters. I have a pretty thick skin about being criticized for my many faux pas statements, but some new members aren't so equipped to handle a few verbal barbs. Let's keep perspective and "enlighten" those who misstep with an adroit sense of humour -- something I've found quite frequently among our members; there is a lot of wit here among the Lee Enfield community that is quite endearing.

Thanks again guys, this is unquestionably the best source I've ever found on gun collecting.

Robert

[rayg]

I think the point here is, and I'm sure we will all agree, is to use the proper names and descriptions of rifles and parts when posting. And if entered incorrect, any member should attempt to correct it. But there is a proper way to do so. I'm sure Bindi2 didn't intentional mean any disrespect. it was kind of a tongue and cheek thing. But a new member may not understand that.
Sorry all this talk took away from the OP's post of his nice rifles, Ray

[Buccaneer]

I find it more relaxing shooting my .22 trainers and easier on the shoulder .[/QUOTE]

And in the UK a lot easier on the wallet..................

[Aussie48]

A quick question to the more knowledgeable, I just this week picked up a 310 Cadet, now it is immaculate in every sense of the word and looking at that fidddle back Walnut it is the same as my cadet. Was there an overabundance of very nice figured Walnut in the early 1920's as that is when the Cadet's were made for the Commonwealth of Australia this one being part of the Order of some 80,000. I have seen plenty here and have never spotted one with timber like this one.

Dick

[A square 10]

i gotta share something here ... way back when , there was a time when knew less , i read but took some things way too literal and perhaps naive as well , i was getting interested in expanding my small commonwealth collection - inherited from my father , i found the "american enfields" , my father had spoken of them before he passed away but as most WWII vets could not really explain exactly what they were ,

so - in my early days i sought out the P14 and the M17 then i saw posts of the P17 - i looked for one for near a month before i realized i was looking for something impossible to find , better luck finding that illusive P13 rifle or a HAK - both of which i still hold hope for , that is when i decided to learn and use correct and proper terminology ,

i was humbled , but more than that i was educated , ill not pretend to know it all nor even very much , but when i see folks push the wrong that i know the right of i will point out the error , just sayin

[Peter Laidler]

But sometimes it doesn't need the correct technical designation or description because everyone knows what you're saying in any language. Take another thread going on. 'The recoil lugs' Actually, they're the drawers but everybody understands RECOIL LUGS more than they do the DRAWERS - which need an explanation as to WHY they're called that!