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I have found a little book which I purchased years ago- "The Quad Field Artillery Tractor and 25 Pounder Gun by Cpt. P.R. Ventham R.A.". This booklet appears to be published semi-privately with proceeds from it's sale going to The Royal Artillery Charitable Fund. I have had a look on Amazon and it is currently listed as being un-available. Looking through it, I think that it explains the slight confusion above about engines etc due to the fact that there were 5 manufacturers of the Quad Artillery Tractor , 3 in the U.K. and 2 in Canada. The U.K. built Quads were made by Guy Motors of Wolverhampton with a 4 cyl 3686cc 53.1bhp Meadows engine, Morris Commercial with a Morris 4 cyl EH side valve 3519cc 70 bhp engine and the Commer-Karrier with a 6 cyl Rootes group 4085cc 80 bhp engine. It doesn't state which Rootes Group company produced the engine but it does suggest that it produced 400 of the Quads exclusively for the Indian Army. The Canadian produced Quads were made by Ford and G.M.C. (Chevrolet). The Ford Quad had the Ford V8 3916cc 95 bhp engine as you might expect and the G.M.C. Chevrolet had the Standard G.M.C. 6 cyl 3548cc 85 bhp engine. The 2 Canadian made Quads were very similar vehicles, apart from the engines, with many interchangeable parts.
Does any-one know if the Morris Commercial Quad and 25 pnd Field Gun set that use to be on the U.K. show circuit about 25 years ago is still about or has it gone abroad???
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Thanks for that, so the old bugger's memory banks were probably right then!??
'Tonight my men and I have been through hell and back again, but the look on your faces when we let you out of the hall - we'd do it all again tomorrow.' Major Chris Keeble's words to Goose Green villagers on 29th May 1982 - 2 PARA
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Yes, but the book seems to be saying that all the Commer-Karrier Quads with the Rootes Group engine went to the Indian Army but the book is worded slightly ambiguously so my interpretation of it may be wrong. Do you know if your chap was attached to the Indian Army? Also all 5 makes of Quad look similar and so there is bound to be confusion between them.
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How to fit yourself into a Morris engine bay...
Sorry for long life pause - got some time on the Morris today - simple task - pull the engine ready for strip and rebuild and take the turret off..
Actually the turret is destined for my lounge as a coffee table during and after restoration while it waits for the hull to catch up.
After lots of fastener soaking the radiator pack yielded along with the engine mounts and the overhead crane and balance bar could be bolted up. I spent the whole afternoon in the engine bay perched on the axle diff housing. Most of the old Whitworths came free easily. A long discussion was had wether to run the starter motor as the original 6V or rewind for 12V.. It almost made it onto an engine stand - not enough variety in the length or size of the bolt options - will get it done and bring it home next time.
The hull will be heading here to its permanent housing soon - to make room in the main "runner" barn of a friend for a Fox, to accompany the Mk1 Carrier and the Daimler Armored Car.
Ill stay on the updates more frequently now and provide more photos as they are compiled from various phones and cameras.
Time to go trickle charge the Mk2 Carrier in my barn
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Originally Posted by
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A long discussion was had wether to run the starter motor as the original 6V or rewind for 12V.
I've been told that a 6 volt starter motor will work quite successfully @ 12 volts without rewinding it because you normally only run a starter motor for short periods. I haven't actually tried fitting/running a 6 volt starter motor on 12 volts, in a vehicle my self, so I don't know how successful this would be.
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I assume running a 6 volt starter on 12 volts will just spin it up faster. I used 24 volt starting on my old Ford Escort rally car; the starter motor was 12 volt model and the rest of the electrical system was 12 volts. But I ran a second battery in series with the positive cable going to the starter.
This proved very efficient when starting a hot engine thats got a bit of heat soak into the weber carb's; spinning really fast it can't really not start. However I suspect starter motor life would be reduced over time; although I never had a failure.
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Aah....Morris LRC - fab.
I used to be in the 43rd Recce Living History Group many years ago, and one of the guys in that unit was restoring a Morris LRC.
We had quite a nice vehicle collection in our group back then, Daimler Dingo, 2 x Bren Carriers, Humber Heavy, White Scout Car, 2 x 15cwt's, 2 x Jeeps and about half a dozen WD M/C's.
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Running 6V starters on 12V is common in the VW scene.
In vw usage the biggest issue is the 6V solonoid throwing out the starter shaft so hard that over time it wares the leading edges of the teeth on the flywheel.
Looking forward to following this one.
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I was told that the motor will run just a little faster but not at twice the speed. Remember a starter motor normally has thick heavy windings and I suspect because of this you would be unlucky to burn-out a 6 volt motor run for short periods during starting on 12 volts.
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l1a1 breakdown, If your not already, I'd suggest becoming a member of the hmvf.co.uk (Historic Military Vehicle forum) members from all over the world on there, been a valuable source to me when asking about the Matchless, I would say probably the best bet for a source of spares or someone will point you in the right direction or no someone else etc...
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