British Deactivated Russian1910 Maxim.... What's been done to it?

[nzl1a1collector]

What was done to deactivate a Russian1910 Maxim Gun in 2005. The deactivation was done by Ryton Arms.

There's one in an upcoming auction (April) and I want to make sure we correctly list the deactivation that has been done to it.

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[Peter Laidler]

Tankie or ZGB ....., this right up your street

[bigduke6]

Don't think much has changed regarding Machine Guns, since 2005, see link below, will give you a guide of various weapons for future reference.

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...earms-2010.pdf

[Brit plumber]

Problem is that every dealer has there own interpretation of the exact methods but the minimum standard would be barrel slotted for most of its length and pinned to the trunnion. The recoil booster will be welded/pinned to the barrel and/or water jacket. The breech block will have had the face cut at 45 degrees and possibly there may be a cut through any holes in the side plate that locks the spade grips or return springs. This is based upon my Ryton deactivated Vickers gun rather than a Maxim but the standards are the same.

[nzl1a1collector]

Thanks Bigduke6, I will file that PDF away for Halloween and I need a horror story to read.

Thanks Brit, So if we put down the following, we shouldn't be too far out:-
"deactivated to British 2005 standards which include, but not limited to the following; barrel slotted and pinned to trunnion, recoil booster welded/pinned to barrel or water jacket. The breech block face cut at 45 degrees and possibly cuts through any holes in the side plate."

The issue is in New Zealand, a typical deactivated (ex-Army) rifle will have had the bolt face welded and a hole drilled into the chamber, I want any prospective buyer to know the butchery that this MG has uncured.

Even in this state the MG is still considered a restricted weapon and must be on a special license and stored in a safe or strong room.


Two questions..... with this type of deactivation are you still able to operate the working parts?


Is there a sticky somewhere detailing with the various deactivation processes for the UK?

Maybe there could be one detailing the British, Canadian, American, Australian, New Zealand requirement, as I tried looking for the UK standards but didn't find much (I could of been searching for the wrong terminology)

[bigduke6]

Haven't had any Deacs in years but most machine Guns you could field strip and operate the working parts, as BP states every Dealer has their own way, as long as it conforms with the guide lines and the proof house are happy.

Old spec Sub machine guns were the same and Semi Auto rifles. (Old spec = pre 1995) had a house full at one time, but sold them to concentrate on the ones that went "Bang"

[nzl1a1collector]

Thanks for the information guys. I'll use the above statement about the deactivation of the MG and won't say anything about whether the parts can move or not.

[bigduke6]

Am sure it will have moving parts, drop them an email, I was very tempted to buy one around 2001, to go next to the Vickers and the Bren, met the Wife not long after............

http://www.rytonarms.co.uk/shop.php

[Flying10uk]

If you look at D&B Militaria's website they have an excellent de-activation guide which explains the U.K. De. Acc. Laws/requirements quite well. Obviously, as they are a U.K. based company they only explain the U.K. De. Acc. Laws. Other countries have other requirements.