"Cavalry" cup and canteen question

[dimmuborgir95]

Many thanks for answer!

Any other color plastic canteens were manufactured for commercial sales

I understood, canteens - only olive green. But covers these canteens ( tan color) can be considered as the "army"?

PS When I was looking for information on the canteens, then accidentally I found interesting pictures of Natick Center, apparently it experiments with canteen insulating. In the first photo - probably earlier version of Cold Weather CRS?

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Natick Soldier Systems Center Photographic Collection / Topic: Canteens (Beverage containers) - Digital Commonwealth Search Results

[RT Ellis]

In regards to the canteen cover 2-quart collapsible canteen, there have been many commercial replicas manufactured in all kinds of fabrics and colors. (It is prohibited by law for anyone to apply to any item genuine contract information, although I have examined items that were not made to government specifications or on government contracts intended for commercial sales that had contract information: nomenclature, NSN, contract number, and manufacturer.) I have not seen any replica canteen cover 2-quart collapsible canteen with phony contractor markings. The Defense Supply Agency (DSA)/Defense Logistics agency (DLA) has contracted canteen cover 2-quart collapsible canteen in OG vinyl (1966-67), OG nylon (1966-2009), tan nylon (1982-2004), 5-color desert camouflage (1986), and Woodland pattern camouflage (1986). In addition a contract to supply Saudi Arabia under the Foreign Military Sales program with canteen cover 2-quart collapsible canteen was made in tan and marked S-A-A (1976).

The kidney shaped canteen, canteen cup, and nylon carrier shown in the first image (reddish background) of the images attached to your post #21, are the current issue cold weather items.

[dimmuborgir95]

Thanks! I thought this is the current issue, without "horizontal seam"?

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[RT Ellis]

Thanks! I thought this is the current issue, without "horizontal seam"?

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i didn't notice the seam location on the previous image, you are correct this is the current Canteen Cold Weather CRS with seam at the top.

[dimmuborgir95]

Perhaps, the sample "seamed" - an test / experimental, etc.

[dimmuborgir95]

tan nylon (1982-2004), 5-color desert camouflage (1986)

Richard, tell me please, this "tan" cover is "commercial"? it does not have DLA letters:

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And this one, "5-color", seems "right"?

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[Sentryduty]

The NSN on the Tan one returns this:

DLMS™ SUMMARY

National Stock Number 8465-01-118-8175

National Stock Number (NSN) 8465-01-118-8175, or NIIN 011188175, (cover,water canteen) was assigned September 12, 1981 in the Federal Logistics Information System (FLIS). This NIIN is Available for Manual Assignment. This NSN does not replace any other NSNs.

There are no manufacturer part numbers associated to this NSN.

This part number has not been procured by the US Government in over 5 years.

This NSN is unique to one weapons system.

There has been very little demand for this national stock number. The demand for this NSN originated from less than 5 countries. Based on a planned procurement review by the Primary Inventory Control Activity (PICA) on Oct 02, 2011, this NSN's acquisition method was noted as: Suitable for Competitive Acquisition. (Potential sources shall include dealers/distributors.) The Government has unlimited rights to the technical data, and the data package is complete. Valid AMCs: 1 and 2.

This NSN is assigned to Item Name Code (INC) 21364. [AN ITEM USUALLY MADE OF CLOTH, DESIGNED TO FIT AROUND AND HOLD A CANTEEN, WATER.]. This item does not have a nuclear hardened feature or any other critical feature such as tolerance, fit restriction or application. There is no information in the HMIRS; however, the NSN is in an FSC in Table II of Federal Standard 313 and an MSDS may be required by the user. The requirement for an MSDS is dependent on a hazard determination of the supplier or the intended end use of the product. NSN 8465011188175 does not contain precious metals.

This information was last updated on Jun 01, 2016.


PART INFORMATION

Federal Supply Classification
FSC 8465 - Individual Equipment
National Item Identification Number
NIIN 011188175
Codification Country
United States
Item Name Code
INC 21364
Criticality
(X) This item does not have a nuclear hardened feature or any other critical feature such as tolerance, fit restriction or application.
Hazardous Material Indicator Code
(P) There is no information in the HMIRS; however, the NSN is in an FSC in Table II of Federal Standard 313 and an MSDS may be required by the user. The requirement for an MSDS is dependent on a hazard determination of the supplier or the intended end use of the product.

TECHNICAL CHARACTERISTICS

ATTACHMENT TO BELT METHOD
(CBMG) W/SLIDE KEEPERS
CLOSURE METHOD
(AFPP) LATCH FASTENER
COLOR
(HUES) TAN
DEPARTURE FROM CITED DOCUMENT
(ZZZW) AS MODIFIED BY COLOR
ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION
(ADZC) WATER REPELLENT
MATERIAL
(MATT) DUCK, NYLON
LINING MATERIAL
(AJNY) FIBER, ACRYLIC
PROCUREMENT GROUP CODE
(PGCD) 21364
SHADE IDENTIFICATION
(AJNJ) 96322
SHADE SOURCE
(AJNG) US ARMY
SHOULDER STRAP
(CGGL) INCLUDED
MATERIAL
(MATL) DUCK, NYLON
UNABLE TO DECODE
(MATL) UNABLE TO DECODE

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I cannot get a return on the chocolate chip cover, I think it could be because I cannot quite make out the NSN clearly enough. you can try by searching this site's lookup: https://www.iso-group.com/

[dimmuborgir95]

Darren, many thanks for answer!

[Sentryduty]

I cannot say the NSN 100% verifies the authenticity of the item, I suppose a manufactured fake would have the NSN on it as well, but in this case it does at least let you know that it stands a good chance of being a real, military piece.

Visually it looks like a Tan coloured version of the Green 2 Qt canteen (with covers) we were issued in the Canadian Army before the Camelbak became an issued item. I still have the shoulder strap for mine, I used it as a rifle sling during my tour in Afghanistan because it was lightweight, wide, and quickly clipped on or off the rifle as I required. The ALICE clips were harvested for other kit attachment duties, the canteen was wrapped with gun tape (green duct tape) for additional protection, then carried in a rucksack, and the carrier/cover was thrown away/lost in most circumstances.

[dimmuborgir95]

Darren, thank you for the clarification.