P17 Bayonet without grooved grips.

[Flying10uk]

I have a couple of P14 bayonets both with grooved grips but that doesn't mean all P14 grips were grooved. I did think that "grooving" the grips of P14 and 17 bayonets was a British thing that was done to bayonets that came to the U.K. side of the pond but this looks less likely to be the case than I had thought.

[browningautorifle]

Did not the P-14 bayonet have smooth grips and the P-17 the grooved?

No, the P14 and M1917 bayonets are the same. It was done to avoid the confusion that this thread has right now.

[old-smithy]

Is any-one able to post a couple of pictures of P17 bayonet grips that they know to be original and ideally on a bayonet that hasn't ever left the States, please?

goto Bayonet Collection Presentation there are plenty

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the early trials p14's did not have grip grooves but the issue ones did to prevent problems,

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Did not the P-14 bayonet have smooth grips and the P-17 the grooved?

early trials versions for the new rifle didn't have grooves but by the time they were issued they did to prevent problemns

[browningautorifle]

the early trials p14's did not have grip grooves

Absolutely correct...agreed.

[tankhunter]

Did not the P-14 bayonet have smooth grips and the P-17 the grooved?

I wouldnt think so. They were the same shape/profile Rifles. Only the internal calibre was different. so a P.17 Bayonet SHOULD fit both types?

[Time Bandit]

Probably just being a bit pedantic here but...should it not be a P1913 bayonet and M1917 bayonet rather than P1914/P14 and P1917/P17. Like I said a bit pedantic but may as well have it correct?

[browningautorifle]

M1917 and Pattern14 bayonets are the same bayonet. This one isn't a Pattern13/test/experimental/provisional. It's a M1917 with a set of 1907 grip scales on it... It's nothing special.

[Flying10uk]

I was once told that there is a very slight difference in muzzle ring diameter between the P14 and P17 bayonets which means either both bayonets will fit the P14 rifle but just 1 bayonet will fit the P17 rifle or it's the other way round. I only have a P14 rifle and not a P17 but I do have both types of bayonet although the P17, it would appear, has incorrect grips. I am not therefore able to fully test this theory but perhaps others are able to do so and report back on their findings, please. The amount of difference in muzzle ring diameter was suggested to me to be a tiny amount but just enough to make a difference between fitting and not.

[browningautorifle]

there is a very slight difference in muzzle ring diameter between the P14 and P17 bayonets

Nope...all metal objects have tolerance differences. The bayonet is one pattern.

[porterkids]

I concur. Model 1917 and Pattern 1914 are identical bayonets