New Canadian Ranger rifle

[browningautorifle]

there may be some sleepers in the mix.

Friends of mine, while doing armorers job there had a full collection of every different type and mark and model. They're all there...and will be scrapped...

Did Ruger submit a stainless "Scout" job to the trials?

Doesn't matter who submitted what, or which was actually best. Politics always reigns...

A very large batch of LB's were shipped to the UK a few years ago

So, is this more to do with the weight etc and perhaps some official embarrassment

I'll bet these were from a civilian source. We've been scraping bottom for ages looking for parts and cannibalizing. It has nothing to do with what's out in the civ market.

[mrclark303]

Its just criminal to scrap them Jim, saying that, the rack of deactivated apparently virtually unused LB's at the arms fair, was making me grind my teeth and emit a low growl! I know there's a better market for chopped rifles, but seeing these examples (that could provide decades of classic shooting fun) really grinds my gears!

I wonder if these came from the Italian Navy batch??

[Ridolpho]

Frankly, based on what little I know of the requirements, pretty much any cheap, commercial rifle that will function under adverse conditions and stop a big bear would suffice. A trip to the local Cabelas would identify a lot of options in the $500.00 range. The selected rifle looks like something my overpaid (oilpatch) nephew might have selected mainly based on range cred. Another option might have been to give each Ranger a one-time cash grant to allow them to pick out whatever they want, maybe with the single constraint that it be in 7.62 Nato if they want ammo from Her Majesty. getting back to the old No. 4 rifles, if they were still satisfactory, it would have been no challenge at all to source 50-100 serviceable replacements per year from the private market at $600.00 to $800.00 per rifle.

Ridolpho

[enfield303t]

It shows once any gov't gets involved the price can go thru the roof, if they are offered to us plebs at $2,695.00 what did the gov't pay for the ones they purchased?

Knowing the No4's will get chopped disgusts me and more of our military history will be destroyed. We in Canada have a military history that all should be proud of and the firearms the Rangers used are a part that needs to be preserved. I would even buy a beat one, to help preserve their service.

Good thing we aren't allowed to be political or I could really go "off" on destroying the No4's.

[browningautorifle]

the Italian Navy batch??

Couldn't say, I know there have been dealers around here that have had virtually new examples by the rack full...in past.

It shows once any gov't gets involved the price can go thru the roof

Always been that way.

[Baal]

Did Ruger submit a stainless "Scout" job to the trials?

Made "next door" for a fraction of the price of the Tikka, even if the dollar figure includes a "ten year parts warranty".

All gun-oil down the bore now, I guess.

Rangers are a branch of the military, though they aren't soldiers. So Colt Canada is the only option. These are Tikka's, but assembled in Canada by Colt.

[enfield303t]

Rangers are a branch of the military, though they aren't soldiers. So Colt Canada is the only option. These are Tikka's, but assembled in Canada by Colt.

Thought Diemaco had to be involved so that just jacks up the price even more. Not too swift when we agreed to let them be the exclusive supplier to the CAF.

On a flight to Frankfurt I sat beside a retired CAF Major, he took me thru the procuring of anything, if I relayed it you would call me a liar. Mind boggling!

[browningautorifle]

These are Tikka's, but assembled in Canada by Colt.

That's right, it says that in the article.

Thought Diemaco had to be involved so that just jacks up the price even more.

Then there's a rebuild and spare parts and maintenance program that lasts for decades, all rolled into the price.

[mrclark303]

The procurement process in the West (probably most countries) has always been an enormous confidence trick in my opinion, perpetrated by the Military Industrial Complex and woven into various levels of thoroughly complicit Governments and their Civil services.

The primary objective is always to extract the maximum amount of money from the tax payer and to keep that money coming in over the longest possible timeframe.

Providing robust and cost effective defence is definitely of secondary importance in their eyes.

It's interesting to see just how fast gear can be provided when it's desperately needed, here in the UK we use the Urgent Operational Requirements procedure when needed (During Afghanistan Operations for instance), kit can be acquired at best speed, albeit, perhaps not with the long term support needed.

But it does show that gear can be brought into service quickly when the mindset and will is there, probably at a respectable cost too, considering it hasn't been procrastinated over for 10 years first!

[browningautorifle]

The primary objective is always to extract the maximum amount of money from the tax payer and to keep that money coming in over the longest possible timeframe.

That's correct. Our Mk 3 Combat boot would be an example.