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I looked at that BFA without any visible means of locking to the barrel too. BAD NEWS to me. Blank firing and anything associated with them is the biggest cause of training injuries. Including BFA's flying off. And when they do, they don't just disappear into the long grass. They all have an inbuilt homing instinct, like a boomerang, and tend to head for the nearest 'enemy' and whack them......, xxxxxxg hard! Been there BAR and Muffer?
Maybe you could screw a bit of hard wood into the two types of BFA Kev. Look at the thread on the wood and compare them.
It really makes you think doesn't it........... The Czechs and Germans have BFA's like that while the British
, in their total lack of savviness come up with a screw-on complete front end of the barrel and all that entails, without a foresight (so you couldn't deliberately aim at anyone). Thank heavens the war was looming and the idea was put to bed - permanently. I mean...... look at the BFA 'masher' barrel fiasco. It must have kept the accident investigation teams occupied for most of the year!
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03-28-2017 02:20 PM
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Been there BAR and Muffer?
I do have stories, including the ones where ball was fired through a BFA...yes.
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Although not visible the ZB39 flash hider or BFA is locked to the barrel sleeve by a multi tab locking washer which fits between.
The sleeve tab on the washer is bent backwards and fits in a slot in the sleeve then the flash hider or BFA is tightened until it aligns with a recess or flat corresponding with another tab which is bent forward into it.
I'll cut a bit of tree up and give your suggestion a go Peter.
ATB Kevin
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What BFA arrangements would there have been on the Mk 3 Brens that cadets were issued with in the 80's? I can't ever remember firing blanks through a Bren. Besides anything else I only ever saw short blanks which presumably would not have fed. Could only ever use those one at a time in a No4 which of course was still infinitely better than lying in cover shouting 'bang' while cycling an L59A1 if there were no blanks at all available.
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Canada utilized a special mag with the short blanks.
The mag had an insert in the front to allow feeding.
There was also a minor modification to the gun for the short blanks.
I'll post a picture of what live ammo can do to a BFA when I find it.
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That made me laugh Muffer......... This could start a whole new BOOK about BFA accidents and mishaps.
In answer to ragtops thread 44, there was a special ammunition called bulleted blank and put simply, this was a wooden bullet that acted as a gas check until it reached the modified flash eliminator - which chopped the wooden bullet up. BUT........ these wooden bullets were a) VERY fast b) quite ferocious and c) were never quite fully chopped up. Additionally the masher that chopped up the wood bullets got VERY hot and in many cases was just shaken loose and, well...., just flew out of the barrel followed by a stream of wooden bullets........
These wooden bulleted rounds were also dished out to the unwary by unwary instructors too and......... Dear o' dear...... The trouble is that it wasn't just Cadets who got this stuff but regular recruits too, right up and well into the 70's.
Blank firing is a lesson in covering your rectum right from the word go and ALWAYS give your instructions loudly and clearly and in the direct hearing of another instructor followed by the words '....does anyone NOT understand what I have just said?
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Thanks for the reply on blanks for the Bren Peter, I was a cadet from '79 to '83 and cannot remember seeing wooden bulleted blanks.
Seem to remember a lad managing to chamber a spent short blank into an L59A1 and it getting stuck fast. The resulting 'explosion' in the armoury when he tried to hand the weapon back in was something to behold.
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Originally Posted by
muffett.2008
30 cal brownings are great, they launch the entire barrel jacket
Never saw one of those... We did launch the odd .50 cal BFA when they came apart though. No bullets involved. Just a yellow missile.
There's so much more...
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Never saw one of those... We did launch the odd .50 cal BFA when they came apart though. No bullets involved. Just a yellow missile.
There's so much more...
A friend had just tightened the muzzle booster on his M1919A4 using the GI cup-type wrench that fits fully over the entire booster nozzle, and got impatient and grabbed the trigger before placing his brain back into gear. Absolutely fragged the booster wrench into pieces with a ball round into it and sent all manner of pieces in every direction.
He got the larger amount of damages with several perforations into his extremities and face, nothing severe enough to warrant a hospital stay but they were cleaning it out of him for quite awhile, kind of left him loooking like he took a load of bird-shot to his front. He still says he gets small pieces working themselves out to this day and that was back in 2001.
-TomH
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