Found: Simson & Co. SUHL Bayonet

[usabaker]

On my way home from a 10 mile Trail Run I found a small Antique store. Found this Simson & Co. SUHL Bayonet inside and picked it up for $8.00 alone with a Axe Head for $10.00. Just now looking up what it is and looks like its for a Mauser. Curious why the company that name is in English rather than Germanic. Rather ruff condition but still kind of cool.

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[Flying10uk]

Simson & Co. SUHL

I assume this to be in German, i.e. Simson und Co. (located at) Suhl but the "Co." could be an abbreviation of a name rather than standing for company as it does in English? The Germans like using abbreviations for words, for example, "UnterSeeBoot" is abbreviated to "U-boot" or "U-boat" as it is in English. A literal translation is undersea boat.

The bayonet looks like it's been cut-down from a longer one at some time.

[usabaker]

I assume this to be in German, i.e. Simson und Co. (located at) Suhl but the "Co." could be an abbreviation of a name rather than standing for company as it does in English? The Germans like using abbreviations for words, for example, "UnterSeeBoot" is abbreviated to "U-boot" or "U-boat" as it is in English. A literal translation is undersea boat.

The bayonet looks like it's been cut-down from a longer one at some time.

You could be right about the abbreviation, I'm still researching it. I don't think it been cut down though others I've found on the web look to be the same. Like this one....

https://www.picclickimg.com/00/s/NzU...utiful-_57.jpg

[Flying10uk]

Yes, the picture that you found on the web better show the fullers at "the end of the cut", where it is less deep. I can see this on your's now.

[usabaker]

Maybe its like that because of sharpening buy whomever owned it before. Doesn't it will be fun to restore just the same for $8.00 it will be a fun project. More then likely I'll make tounge and grove two part walnut handle so as not to have to cut the rivets off the tang.

[Eaglelord17]

Similar to my Portuguese M1904 bayonet except the rivets are different (the M1904 has screws) and the end does look cut down slightly. Based on the fact it has a muzzle ring it is either a export model of Mauser bayonet, or it is a 71/84 bayonet.

Personally based off the photos I am guessing a 71/84 bayonet but others more knowledgeable will hopefully be along shortly.

[porterkids]

This is a Spanish Model 1893. The early ones were made in Germany and looked very similar to the 71/84. The Spanish bayonet has a high muzzle ring where the 71/84 has a low ring. The blade has not been cut down; the fuller runs through to the point of the blade by design.

[usabaker]

This is a Spanish Model 1893.

porterkids thanks! that's actually great news since i've two 1916 Spanish Mauser's (7MM and 308) thanks for the help!

[Flying10uk]

The picture, posted in post 3, better shows how the fuller becomes less deep near the point of the blade because the cutter that cuts the fuller is stopped, during manufacture, before it reaches the end of the blade. Because the cutter is round in profile, the depth of cut of the fuller is less deep near the point. The same is true at the other end of the fuller near the cross guard/cross piece. The pictures in post 1 don't show this too well.

[Patrick Chadwick]

The use of "Co." is quite common in German, but is an abbreviation of "Companie" (old-fashioned French-style spelling) for a commercial operation, as opposed to "Kompanie" (modern German spelling) for a military company.

To identify your bayonet, go here

Bayonets of Imperial Germany 1871-1918

and have fun looking.