Any recommendations on which ammo for the T4 &.62 Nato.

[Chubbs]

Hi Guys

What are people using to shoot this at 300 - 900 m's.

Regards Chubbs

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[speckles]

.303. 174 gr smk projectile RL15 41.5 grains ppu brass with WLR primer

.308 168gr smk 30 cal projectile with 42 gr of 4895 IMR WLR primer

[CINDERS]

46gns AR 2209 (Equivilents H 4350 or IMR 4350) Rem cases, Fed 210 Match, 174SMK, 3.075" COAL

[Strangely Brown]

Given the T4 was produced in the days when barrels were designed and built for the 144 gr bullet; a good compromise is to use the 150 gr SMK with 43.9 or 44 grs of N140.
I adopted this load after the scare mongering tactics of the NRA regarding using 155 gr in No.4 actions and their advice about getting No.4's re-proofed to 20 tons.

I have "held the black" with this load at 1000 yards on Stickledown in the past.

[speckles]

Given the T4 was produced in the days when barrels were designed and built for the 144 gr bullet; a good compromise is to use the 150 gr SMK with 43.9 or 44 grs of N140.
I adopted this load after the scare mongering tactics of the NRA regarding using 155 gr in No.4 actions and their advice about getting No.4's re-proofed to 20 tons.

I have "held the black" with this load at 1000 yards on Stickledown in the past.

Strangely brown; what are your velocities out of the muzzle with that load. If 1000 and still in the black, one would assume a very fast moving projectile

[Strangely Brown]

I don't have a chrono speckles so I cant answer that one I'm afraid.
All I can tell you is that was a favourite Bisley load before the switch to 155 gr bullets and the advent of rifles with forward locking lugs.

As an aside I had a long conversation with Ted Molyneux (shot for GB in his day) who looks after the NRA museum at Bisley; he recalls a friend going over to Scandinavia in the early 1970's and importing a quantity of Raufoss 7.62mmx51 (144 gr) ammunition.
The word was that it was supposedly very good.
On the ammunition's first outing the scores were higher then they could ever have imagined, it then slowly dawned on them how poor the Radway Green was that they were going to have to shoot the next Imperial meeting with!

[Chubbs]

Given the T4 was produced in the days when barrels were designed and built for the 144 gr bullet; a good compromise is to use the 150 gr SMK with 43.9 or 44 grs of N140.
I adopted this load after the scare mongering tactics of the NRA regarding using 155 gr in No.4 actions and their advice about getting No.4's re-proofed to 20 tons.

I have "held the black" with this load at 1000 yards on Stickledown in the past.

Hi Mick
Are the NRA still giving this advice re the 155gr and I take it anything above.
Regards Chubbs

[Strangely Brown]

Hi Mick
Are the NRA still giving this advice re the 155gr and I take it anything above.
Regards Chubbs

Chubbs, apologies for the lateness of my reply but I don't often wander this far from the Lee Enfield forum.

The NRA when asked for proof that 155 gr ammunition was dangerous in Lee Enfield's went to ground and realised that they actually had no proof.
However LERA's secretary decided, (I'm TR Captain) that we ought to be responsible to our members and also to our collection of Lee Enfield Rifles by only firing factory made 144 gr ammunition through them.

It's been admitted privately (so the rumours say) that somebody in the range office/NRA building went of at half cock and issued the statement without any reliable research and it was all based on hearsay.
My take on it is an historical one, the rifles were designed for 144 gr; 150 gr works very well in the load I have mentioned above, but just how far do you push these things...?

[CINDERS]

I just ran the VV N140 - 44 gn load through Quickload 3.9 I have, it gives a projected velocity of 2,701Fps out of a 25.2" Brl with a chamber pressure of 44,657Psi (Div by 2,240) or 19.936 Tons (The imperial ton is 2,240lbs the USA has the Short Ton which is 2,000lbs hence it is good to know both weights when calculating stuff makes a huge difference.) It is only a guide but the load is getting there.

[Chubbs]

Hi Guys

On looking at my T4 it seems to be stamped T20 on the reciever. does this mean it was proofed at the higher pressure to comply with NRA advice. There seem to be no other markings on the barrel other than words Parker Hale LTD Birmingham England and Model T4 7.62 NATO

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Regards Chubbs