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Turkish 88/05/35
Hi all,
Felt I would share with you all a underappreciated milsurp which there isn't really much discussion or information on. It is a Turkish 88/05/35. These were a conversion of Commission 88/05 Rifles to be more like a standard Turkish M38 rifle. To me this conversion was likely a large waste of resources, but it is interesting how far the Turks would go to keep rifles going. Many reused and recycled parts on these guns, and some somewhat ingenious solutions to problems.
Note the rack number 18 on the stock as well as the stock disk which is essentially useless on these rifles
New markings on the receiver, the original markings were scrubbed (I believe this was originally a Danzig receiver based on what little remains
Originally would have said Gew 88 on it, now a serial number
Barrel band off some other rifle, note the hole in it which there is no accommodation for on the Turkish stock retaining band
Front action screw, it was originally longer until cut down by the Turks, note the retaining screw added which to me is a dumb feature (as 70 years later it doesn't rotate anymore)
Inletting of the stock around the receiver
Top view of the stock
Side view of the stock, note they would have had to do custom inletting to make the 88/05/35 stocks as M38 stocks would have had double stacked magazines
Reused stock reinforcing nut as it has the Imperial German acceptance stamp on it
New Turkish barrel
Side view of the new thread cover/handguard retainer/cleaning rod retainer/magazine retainer. They would have manufactured this part to cover the external threads which the barrel jacket screwed into and hold the new handguard on. They reused the magazine attachment point from the original barrel jacket, and drilled and tapped it sideways to allow the cleaning rod to thread into it. To accommodate this they cut down the length of the front action screw.
Showing the crude manufacturing marks as well as the clear line in the receiver where the barrel jacket would have previously screwed in.
Overall it is a neat rifle, if crude. But just because it was crude doesn't mean it didn't work. A other interesting note is the rifle is now longer than it originally was, which is a accomplishment.
As a side note does anyone know what bayonet should fit on it? I have tried my Commission 88 bayonet, and a cutdown German 98/05 bayonet, but both didn't fit.
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thanks for the pictures i call that a great find
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No problem. I have a bit of a soft spot for unique and not as well appreciated milsurps, and I enjoy sharing that with others.
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What do you think that stock was adapted from? It would be a difficult job no matter where you start. With the pistol grip, I assume it was either from a Model 93 or 98 Turk Mauser?
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That is interesting, makes me want to keep my eye out for one. I would assume the standard Turk bayonet would fit as they were "standardizing"
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I don't have this particular rifle anymore but the stock was likely a Turkish M38 stock blank they just cut to suit these rifles.
I suspect the M38 bayonet would work but it was too long ago for me to say with authority.
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Hi
Are there available photos this 88/05/35 in better resolution?
Especially with marking DANZIG?
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This is what I have, I don't have any better resolution photos of it.
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