Last California AMMO e-Buy

[usabaker]

So down to the wire. I have time to make one more order for ammo before the California no out-of-state and no mail/internet purchases of ammo law takes effect and the CA ammo vendor take their prices to a level considered rape because there is no longer any competition.

Since I have a family to feed and house I been struggling with what ammo to buy based on my unknown future rifle purchases. I'm pretty sure there is an 8MM Mauser in my future and a .22 WRF, I also have to feed my 30-06 (trouble deciding on bullet weight) I've less than 100 rounds left. I;m good on My 7MM, 303, 762x51, 762x39, could use some 7.62.54R, need some 30-30 i'm sure although I never shoot the rifle, Might need some .300 WMAG even though I don't shoot that much either.

F*&^ California

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[HOOKED ON HISTORY]

Perhaps it would be cheaper to pack the family ,the ammo, and the small slice of freedom you have left and flee. I know It is easier said than done.
Wish all the remnant remaining in Cali all the best but I don't see it getting better any time soon.

[usabaker]

pack the family ,the ammo, and the small slice of freedom you have left and flee.

That's is actually the goal. We will be looking for land in Texas next year but will not move there permanently until 2023 or so unless I can convince my wife there is a better school for our son there and I can find a job that will pay the bills. At least I will have a place to keep my firearms when Californa goes gun free. You know its a shame, California gun owners are doing it to themselves when I hear them complaining I ask two questions; 1.) Do you vote and 2.) are you a member of a local, state, or national gun rights organization. More times then not, the answer is No to one or more of these.

You would think that for the price of three boxes of 308W they could help protect their rights. SAD.....

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Did I hear correctly that to buy ammo, you'd have to pass a background check?
If so, I'll assume there will be a $charge for this?

Its worse than that;

The first law: January 1 - You can not buy ammo mailorder or on the internet, You can not buy ammo in another state and bring it in.

The 2nd Law that is coming later in two parts: First the stores can't display the ammunition, you will have to ask for it. Then you will need to get a background check to buy ammo, you will have to pay for it and supposedly it will be good for 3 years.

[painter777]

If I'm reading the article correctly... It looks as though you could buy ammo over the Internet
as long as it's shipped to a DOJ approved shop.

January 1 - You can not buy ammo mailorder or on the internet

From the Article Linked Below-
Jan 1 -2018 Importing Ammunition:
If a resident orders ammunition from a website, the ammo in question must be sent to an approved vendor for the consumer to pick up.

This Guest Post was submitted by Laura Cromwell of Cabela’s
Article Link, Dated 8-29- 2017: What to Expect with California’s New Ammo Laws | Guest Post - The Firearm BlogThe Firearm Blog

Is the article wrong or am I just not getting it?
Even if the article is correct, It will eliminate the smaller sellers and surely increase the cost from both the selling and receiving Vendors willing to comply with the BS from the DOJ.
Imagine the paperwork and more than likely increased insurance liability costs among other things.

Back when we would do State Gov, Fed Jobs..etc I knew to increase our prices 50-60% from our normal starting prices......... just too many hoops to jump through.

"The stores can't display the ammunition" Yea that evil ammo.... hide it. But OK to display Porno mags at the counter next to where a kid is looking for a candy bar... Jeezzzeee

I fully agree with you on the No voters. Seemed like the loudest gripers all had one thing in common...... Didn't vote.

Please correct me if I'm wrong about the Internet/mail sales being ok via a registered with DOJ Vendor.

Last thing, Why DOJ? Shouldn't this be a BATF issue?

Charlie-Painter777

[usabaker]

Please correct me if I'm wrong about the Internet/mail sales being ok via a registered with DOJ Vendor.

Last thing, Why DOJ? Shouldn't this be a BATF issue?

Yes, you will be able to have the ammo sent to an FFL, for now, my FFL said something about another requirement later on. The DOJ is State and the BATF is federal. The State seems to trump them. For instance; I have a type 3 C&R FFL in any other state I could do an FFL to C&R Transfer or a C&R FFL to C&R FFL transfer. If I lived in Texas and I bought a Mosin Nagant 91/30 on Gunbroker, the FFL selling it could send it right to me; I would then log it into my book and file the paperwork.

In California not only do I have to have my Type 3 C&R FFL I have to have a DOJ Certificate of Eligibility that cost 98.00 for the paperwork, background check and electronic fingerprinting (yes the same stuff you do to get your FFL) But if I order the same Mosin Nagant 91/30 on Gunbroker here in California I have to have the rifle sent to a type 1 FFL who will a.) charge me the same transfer fee I would pay without a type 3 FFL ($35.00 up to $100.00 depending on where you go) AND I have to process a DROS which is the California registration and background check, another $25.00. To top it off, I still have to log the rifle in my FFL book and file the paperwork to meet BATF rules.

Then I can take the rifle. So you pay the same as someone without a Type 3 FFL the only difference is you don't have a 10 day waiting period UNLESS it's not a C&R. If I buy a new rifle I still have to wait for the 10 days to see if my background check clears even though I have a DOJ Certificate of Eligibility.

LOL

[harry mac]

Last thing, Why DOJ? Shouldn't this be a BATF issue?

Charlie-Painter777

It cements the impression in the minds of the sheeple that firearms and ammunition are "criminal" items.

[painter777]

Did I hear correctly that to buy ammo, you'd have to pass a background check?
If so, I'll assume there will be a $charge for this?

Was this a voter passed law?

CH-P777

[browningautorifle]

I guess the idea must be to choke off the ammo used by gang activity. That should eliminate their gunfights and drivebys all together...there, safe at last...

[rcathey]

...there, safe at last...

Finally!!

[painter777]

Jan 1-2018

Vendors must have Department of Justice approval to sell ammo – Current retailers with an ammo supply may stop providing ammunition altogether due to the process of getting DOJ consent. For hunters and shooters in rural areas who rely on mom-and-pop sporting goods stores, they may need to seek out a new supplier as well as plan on driving a lot farther to find the ammunition of their choice

Importing ammunition – Californians must go to an ammunition vendor that has been approved by the DOJ. If a resident orders ammunition from a website, the ammo in question must be sent to an approved vendor for the consumer to pick up. Purchasing ammunition out of state and then returning to California runs the risk of carrying a misdemeanor charge of transporting ammo across state lines.

Transferring ammunition – For anyone who has ammunition they are looking to part with, you will need to enlist a DOJ-approved vendor to complete the transaction, same way you would transfer a firearm to a new owner.

Much more here: What to Expect with California’s New Ammo Laws | Guest Post - The Firearm BlogThe Firearm Blog


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