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    Weaver 33C on an 03A4

    [IMG][IMG][/IMG][/IMG]I have a very nice A4 with the correct scope mount. It also has the Weaver 33C scope on it. I've read that the 33T was the model that Springfield went with. But, I have also read that it was possible that to get the new sniper rifles to the front, some were delivered with off the shelf 'C' scopes. Does anyone care to weigh in on this?
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    The U.S. Army Ordnance furnished all of the scopes to Remington for the M1903A4 project. The standard was the Weaver model 330 "C". The 'c' standing for 'click', as it had a noise maker attached to the adjusting knobs. The same scope with a set screw adjustment was the Weaver 330 "S". The 's' for 'silent'. Only the Model 330C was to be used on factory rifle assembly. It is said that Weaver and US Army Ordnance bought scopes in stock by retailers and wholesalers. But only the model 330C were used by Remington. Weaver was unable to maintain a supply of scopes for the project as they were unable to procure the needed lenses from B&L due to their commitment to binoculars and fire control contracts. Any scope other than a 330c was added to a M1903A4 after delivery by Remington. Remington had a backlog of about 1000 rifles awaiting scopes at any one time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom in N.J. View Post
    The U.S. Army Ordnance furnished all of the scopes to Remington for the M1903A4 project. The standard was the Weaver model 330 "C". The 'c' standing for 'click', as it had a noise maker attached to the adjusting knobs. The same scope with a set screw adjustment was the Weaver 330 "S". The 's' for 'silent'. Only the Model 330C was to be used on factory rifle assembly. It is said that Weaver and US Army Ordnance bought scopes in stock by retailers and wholesalers. But only the model 330C were used by Remington. Weaver was unable to maintain a supply of scopes for the project as they were unable to procure the needed lenses from B&L due to their commitment to binoculars and fire control contracts. Any scope other than a 330c was added to a M1903A4 after delivery by Remington. Remington had a backlog of about 1000 rifles awaiting scopes at any one time.
    How it actually went was Lyman was to provide the original scopes which were the Alaskan (deemed the M73). Lyman got their glass from Bausch and Lomb who was neck deep in contracts. Since this stalled Lyman's response US Ordnance turned to Weaver who scrambled to gather the numbers of 330C's to meet the demand (hence the B1 suffix on the noumenclature, M73B1 it was a substitute). Plans were left in place to accommodate the M73 (Lyman Alaskan) which is obvious with the step and bevel on the tail of the Redfield base. This step and bevel is necessary only for the ocular bell and lock ring of the Lyman Alaskan and serves no purpose or necessity with the M73B1/ weaver 330. Of course we all know Lyman eventually got their feet under them and started providing scopes but the M1D had been developed and most were seen first on the M1D while trickling onto the 1903A4 scene. Although unofficial, I believe the reason for the different mounenclature on the M1D (M81 and M82) was because of the eyecup and sun shade which were not features of the former M73 in the 1903A4 application.
    The Weaver 330 S and a couple similar other models (29S and 329??) was actually purchased in numbers for bore sighting application in artillery and anti aircraft systems, but as previously stated, never used on sniper rifles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy A View Post
    How it actually went was Lyman was to provide the original scopes which were the Alaskan (deemed the M73). Lyman got their glass from Bausch and Lomb who was neck deep in contracts. Since this stalled Lyman's response US Ordnance turned to Weaver who scrambled to gather the numbers of 330C's to meet the demand (hence the B1 suffix on the noumenclature, M73B1 it was a substitute). Plans were left in place to accommodate the M73 (Lyman Alaskan) which is obvious with the step and bevel on the tail of the Redfield base. This step and bevel is necessary only for the ocular bell and lock ring of the Lyman Alaskan and serves no purpose or necessity with the M73B1/ weaver 330. Of course we all know Lyman eventually got their feet under them and started providing scopes but the M1D had been developed and most were seen first on the M1D while trickling onto the 1903A4 scene. Although unofficial, I believe the reason for the different mounenclature on the M1D (M81 and M82) was because of the eyecup and sun shade which were not features of the former M73 in the 1903A4 application.
    The Weaver 330 S and a couple similar other models (29S and 329??) was actually purchased in numbers for bore sighting application in artillery and anti aircraft systems, but as previously stated, never used on sniper rifles.
    Actually that was the M1C. The M1D didn't truly show up till after the Korean War. The biggest main difference with the M81 and M82 scopes is the M81 has a fine crosshair and the M82 has a thick post reticle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suikoden2003 View Post
    Actually that was the M1C. The M1D didn't truly show up till after the Korean War. The biggest main difference with the M81 and M82 scopes is the M81 has a fine crosshair and the M82 has a thick post reticle.
    Dang, I knew that too, how did I screw that one up...…….


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