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What channel is it on? Youtube?
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Yes 30three it was on you tube
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The Germans won the PR battle, getting their version halfway around the world before the Admiralty got their boots on. It took some months before more perceptive commentators observed that a fleet which quit the field, fled back to its bases and stayed there, was not the winner.
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"...the doco proves..." How old is it?
The whole issue was caused by faulty intel on the RN's part. Read a recently published(like 2014ish) book about Brit W.W. I spooks (I forget the title. I'll have to look.) that said the RN knew where the Imperial Fleet was and what it was doing but didn't tell Beatty or Jellicoe in order to keep Room 40 secrets secret. Along the lines of not talking about Ultra.
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Very interesting documentary. Watched it today.
The wreckage seems to clarify the poor handling of the cordite charges as the reason the ships effectively blew themselves up after being hit.
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The intelligence was there but commanders didn't make proper use of it. Knowing that Scheer's flagship had exchanged call-signs with the guardship in the Jade, but failing to pass it on to the analysts - not good.
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It was not what was and what wasn't passed on as far as who was where etc it was proven that the Brit's has laid the foundations for the swift demise of their ships due to p*ss poor storage of the cordite and plus the fact they went past what could be safely stored on the ships. And it proved costly in the lives of all those poor bl**dy sailors lives.
There was nothing wrong with the ships they could have probably withstood hits but having explosive material poorly stored just negated their survive-ability in that encounter.
Why they closed in when they could have stood off to begin with no one knows only reason could be the visual assessment of the targets, we had a similar thing in WWII why did Capt Burnett close on the Kormoran who knows why it went down with him and the ship!
Scheer did an awesome thing saving the fleet from what would have been a slaughter, and Jelicoe the same by turning away from those torpedoes as if he turned into them then the closing speed of them would have been doubled by going away he halved the rate the torpedoes gained on them better to comb them.
Hind sights great on what should have been done but in reality on the day those ships should not have had unsafe storage of cordite and carrying well 50% more than they were supposed to have anyway.
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HMS Defence
I have a 1908 photo of my Great Uncle Richard H. Jose, Petty Officer 236246 who died on the HMS Defence at Jutland in 1916. He was born at The Lizard in Cornwall in 1890.
The photo shows him on his first ship, the HMS Hogue in 1908. He was promoted to Petty Officer in 1915.Attachment 103859
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Published in 2014.
Secret Warriors
By Taylor Downing
Little Brown Book Group
100 Victoria Embankment
London, England
EC4AY ODY
ISBN: 978-1-4087-0421-9
Seems there were a lot of new books published around the 100th Anniversary of W.W. I. No idea if this is still in print. Totally different POV of the War though. Much like 'Ultra goes to war'.
Max Aiken(Lord Beaverbrook. Minister of Aircraft Production for Winston.) was who Conrad Black tried to emulate before he got caught and sent to jail. Conrad didn't seem to get that Max earned the knighthood and the peerage he got.
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