Enfield No.4 MK I Sniper: Fake or Original? - Opinions please

[Sir T. Woolridge]

Good Evening everyone!

I have the opportunity to purchase this gun. It is based in Italy, the gun also has an italian firearms proof-stamp (visible in picture with red 1 and red 4).
But I am in doubt about its authenticity:

1.) As to see, the serialnumber is stamped above the manufacturing year "1945" and way higher in position than I used to see on other guns - is this right? One could think there might have been another serialnumber in the middle, maybe scratched away - is this possible?

2.) The case of the Telescope has the instructions for use on an L1A1 - so at least the case is not original.

3.) The wooden crate says (T.LESS TELESCOPE), meaning that it belongs to a gun which was not outfitted with a scope. I know that in the surplus-market a lot of crates were taken for whatever gun was there - so this must not mean anything at first.
But:

4.) The Number stamped into the upper side of the stock behind the bolt - which matches with the one of the scope - seems to be a little bit far down away from the action... is this okay or maybe also a possible indication for a fake?

Because it would be easy to take a T.LESS TELESCOPE rifle, attach a L1A1 Scope and put the scope-serial on the stock...

According to the seller the gun has the correct "T" stamp on the left side. Unfortunately it is barely/not visible on the foto.

What do you think?
Original gun with original matching scope in wrong case and wrong crate?
Or fake?
And how did these rifles come to Italy? Were they used there in the armed forces?

Thank you in advance and have a nice day,

Sir T. Woolridge

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[Sir T. Woolridge]

As seen in the title above

[Sir T. Woolridge]

BSA serialnumber positions from 1944 and 1945 in comparison:

[Kiwi]

My money is on this option:

Original gun with original matching scope in wrong case and wrong crate?

[Bindi2]

My money is on this option:

^^^^^

[bros]

Not a betting man but from what i can see in the limited pictures....looks kosher to me.

How about a few more pics of the scope pads affixed to the left side of the receiver.....take pics without scope bracket attached.

Another of magazine cut-off block on right side of receiver...there should be a "S" stamped there.

Another of the "T" stamp on the left side of the receiver(between the two scope pad mounting brackets)

Picture of the "bottom or underside", of the fore-end, close to the front of the barrel...is there the rifle serial #stamped there with some other stampings?

[Roy W]

Not a betting man but from what i can see in the limited pictures....looks kosher to me.

How about a few more pics of the scope pads affixed to the left side of the receiver.....take pics without scope bracket attached.

Another of magazine cut-off block on right side of receiver...there should be a "S" stamped there.

Another of the "T" stamp on the left side of the receiver(between the two scope pad mounting brackets)

Picture of the "bottom or underside", of the fore-end, close to the front of the barrel...is there the rifle serial #stamped there with some other stampings?

The 'S' isn't always there. If the sight was replaced in manufacture the S was omitted because it needed zeroing.

[Sir T. Woolridge]

Not a betting man but from what i can see in the limited pictures....looks kosher to me.

How about a few more pics of the scope pads affixed to the left side of the receiver.....take pics without scope bracket attached.

Another of magazine cut-off block on right side of receiver...there should be a "S" stamped there.

Another of the "T" stamp on the left side of the receiver(between the two scope pad mounting brackets)

Picture of the "bottom or underside", of the fore-end, close to the front of the barrel...is there the rifle serial #stamped there with some other stampings?

Many thanks so far!
More pictures are requested, but the seller has not answered yet - the uploaded images are the only ones I have...

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I have seen this rifle listed for sale on eGun as well and I think it is way overpriced, even at the starting bid.

In which way overpriced? Please explain
I have seen an all matching No4 MkI T built 1944 with british proof marks based in Germany with correct wooden crate but not matching telescope-case sold on egun in for 7000€ +

[Sir T. Woolridge]

I hope these will do. What do you mean?

[Alan de Enfield]

Many thanks so far!
More pictures are requested, but the seller has not answered yet - the uploaded images are the only ones I have...

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In which way overpriced? Please explain
I have seen an all matching No4 MkI T built 1944 with british proof marks based in Germany with correct wooden crate but not matching telescope-case sold on egun in for 7000€ +

I'd have been more than happy to have been offered 5000€ for mine but now, if that's the new market price I'd be looking for more.

"Rare" RAF issue, last 'serviced' at 34-Base Workshops Catterick September 1968. New Butt fitted to suit Snipers LoP.