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    Muzzle Blast: Mosin Nagant M38

    Took the kids out to the range and was able to catch the muzzle blast from a Mosin Nagant M38 using TulAmmo 7.62x54R 148 Grain FMJ Steel Case.
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    They are impressive little carbines. I kept mine when I downsized my Sovieticon collection for that exact reason.

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    We banned the use of them in summer prone as the chances of starting a grass fire were pretty high its like when it went off was like a bunsen burner on steroids..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by CINDERS View Post
    We banned the use of them in summer prone as the chances of starting a grass fire were pretty high its like when it went off was like a bunsen burner on steroids..........
    I can see them causing fires. This picture was not the biggest muzzle blast either! just the one I could capture. I swear I saw one round chuck a flame 30 inches (762mm) or so.

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    They are impressive little carbines. I kept mine when I downsized my Sovieticon collection
    I saw another last Thursday in a gun shop and almost bought it. I have too many 91 Mosins and need to thin my collection though first I think.
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    The flame at the muzzle is real under those conditions in the shade [not muzzle blast, which is the sound and shock wave effect]. Were you to shoot in full sun or with different ammunition the flame would be different and probably not present. It is the same for just about any carbine when using full loads intended for rifle barrels. That is why current military rifles and carbines are all fitted with a flash hider, having such short barrels, firing ammunition intended for use in machine guns too.

    The flame is from propellant not consumed in the barrel but outside it, thus confirming the shorter barrel needs less or different propellant. For the intended use of this carbine I suppose the muzzle flame was irrelevant. I know this milsurp ammo, but still, don't blame the firearm for the ammunition used.

    Excellent photo, catching the flame just right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daan Kemp View Post
    he flame at the muzzle is real under those conditions in the shade [not muzzle blast, which is the sound and shock wave effect]. Were you to shoot in full sun or with different ammunition the flame would be different and probably not present. ... The flame is from propellant not consumed in the barrel but outside it, ... I know this milsurp ammo, but still, don't blame the firearm for the ammunition used.
    Excellent photo, catching the flame just right
    You are correct. I suppose I should have termed it Muzzle Flash rather than Blast but in my mind was referring to the report and flash. I have had this many of my rifles including my modern weapons with factory ammo. But I don't recall blaming the rifle or ammo for the flash. I was just happy to have been able to catch the stream of flame exiting the muzzle and really what my post was about.
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    Surplus ammo was loaded with slower burning powders that worked best with the longer barreled M91/30 rifles and gave a complete burn hence the fireball for the shorter barreled carbines.

    Back when I got my M44 I cleaned off a few shooting benches on either side of me of loose item from the muzzle blast as well.

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    Our M44 is nicknamed "The Dragon." It is pretty cool!

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    Love my type 53, 44, and 38 carbines, the 38 is my favorite though.

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