SHOOTINGS - NOVA SCOTIA

[Aragorn243]

Ok, thanks for the clarification but as I said earlier this is a difference in communication styles. Nothing wrong with that but a bit confusing from the American standpoint. We don't usually call the Police "good guys with a gun" they are simply the police, not that they aren't good guys, don't mean to imply they aren't, we just generally call a good guy with a gun a civilian bystander type. Everyone knows the police have guns. I'll try that CTV.

[HOOKED ON HISTORY]

You can bet the screams of 'ban AR15's' will be loud, if one was used in this appalling attack or not. .

The PM used the "military weapon" buzz word in the only statement I have seen. In which he said he would move to ban them. Who did not see that coming before the next of kin were notified. Evil men will continue to do evil things with what is at there disposal (knives, cars ,rocks, hammers...). All that is needed for evil men to do evil is for good men to do nothing which is exactly what will happen when the good men (law abiders) are disarmed.
It is most certainly not rocket science. I figured it out.

[painter777]

this isn't really being covered at all in the states that I can see.

I agree Aragorn,
This said from someone who along with the Wife has 1 or 2 tv's on in the background on the news, pretty much thru the morning and night.. (our awake hours). And 99% of the time on news channels.
We get Detroit news stations so you'd think we'd of heard something passed along from Windsor, but didn't. It wasn't until reading this topic that I was informed.....
After seeing this I found some info online, but facts are few.

I did see news from Detroit about a rash of Fake police in older police type cars decked out to look real. A few had been arrested but authorities believe they are part of a bigger organized group pulling over cars and robbing people at gun point. A warning has been put out for people to be aware of it.

TV Media just rushes thru to get to the ratings making stories. Online stories ..... have no fact checking. I read a online report from Chicago about a shooting/arrest where the culprit used a Automatic revolver

Speaking of Chicago, we are about 3 hours from there. We get tv news from the west side of the state that includes Chicago nearly every evening, but rarely anything about the shootings.
I found a site online where I can listen in to calls to Chicago police scanners. On a Friday night with decent weather it wont take ten minutes for a 'Shots Fired' call to come in.

I looked this up today and found a graph similar to the CV-19 graphs. About the number of shootings/times/... etc

Tracking Chicago shooting victims - Chicago Tribune

Blessed are those who carry a back up.

[Aragorn243]

According to CTV, the gunman was not permitted to have any type of weapon from crossbows to firearms due to a rage incident years earlier. The weapons while not identified were said to be most likely unlicensed which I need a Canadian to explain what that means. I'm assuming it means they are not registered.

[browningautorifle]

were said to be most likely unlicensed which I need a Canadian to explain

We need a possession and acquisition licence to purchase, possess, buy-sell-trade, or purchase ammo. You need a course before you can get one unless you were there in the beginning when we just went to the police station and got it. That was 1978. Now without a licence, you're an unlicensed guy... Any handguns that are unregistered are called unregistered and therefore prohibited by law. Not to be confused with the prohibited classes some of us have which means others without that class on their PAL can't buy or own them.

[#1oilman]

Aragorn I knew what you meant by the statement referring to a good guy with a gun I live minutes from the Michigan border and have done US gun shows for 40 plus years having bee a past member of the OGCA and long time member of the MAACA. Not having concealed or open carry in Canada means the only ones out in public are the police. I keep in touch with US events as probably 75% of the news I watch is on the Fox network. I hope you were able to connect with the CTV news online to follow the NS shootings.

[#1oilman]

In the Bush years I held a concealed carry permit valid in 40 US states issued through the Iowa Bureau of Justice , went through the course fingerprinting and all .That expired in the first Obama term and was rejected when I replied for renewal. We don't have concealed or open carry here so no good guys with guns unless you shoot an intruder threatening your family within the home and even then you will be arrested and dragged through the legal process.

[Aragorn243]

Followup question on the licensing of firearms or owners. I understand that owners must be licensed but isn't it also true that firearms of at least specific types must be registered? I ask specifically because I visit Nambu world on a regular basis and I believe it is a Canadian based site and they are always mentioning they know exactly how many of such and such handgun is in Canadian hands.

[#1oilman]

Handguns are in two seperate classes, those with barrel lengths over 4" are classed as restricted and can be purchased by anyone who holds a valid PAL ( possession and acquisition licence) that has also completed the restricted portion of the Canadian firearms training course Handguns with barrel lengths under 4" or in calibers 22 rimfire, .25 .32 centrefire became classed as prohibited around 1998 and only persons with what is referred to as 12-6 status can own, buy or trade these prohibited pistols. The exception being in the event of a prohib owners death they can be passed down. Full automatics became prohibited on January 1st 1978 and only owners at the time can still possess them, these to the best of my knowledge can not be passed down after the current owners death. There is a whole different class for guns converted from FA to SA that I don't fully understand but as an example I bought 68 guns from an estate last year but there were 2 I couldn't own a FA 1928 Thompson and an FNC1 converted from FA to SA. I contacted a friend who now ons some of the FA's I disposed of in 1977 and he purchased the Thompson but could not own the FA FN converted from FA to SA. Because he is also a registered Canadian Dealer he was able to have the FN in his inventory with a letter from the executer. Go figure that one out! Because our gun laws were written by bureaucrats that have the collective intelligence of a bag of hammers when it comes to guns we have laws that only a lawyer can navigate.

[NORTHOF60]

There is a distinct paucity of information being released by the RCMP concerning this atrocity, no doubt believing "he who controls the information controls the history". While surfing to find information, I came up with this article in the Toronto Sun by Brian Lilley:

LILLEY: PM using Nova Scotia massacre to push misguided rifle ban agenda | Toronto Sun