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    Need help with No4 Mk1 I.D.

    Hi all,
    just purchased my first N04 Mk1 and am a bit confused on it's origins. The markings on the left side of the receiver ae barely legible as it's been covered up by paint I believe. What you can read is N04 Mk1 then underneath that a 54/P or B.

    The left side of the stock ring has F51 the underneath B06004. That's all I can get. Any help would be appreciated.
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    Sounds like Fazakerley No. 4 markings. Are you sure it's a Mk I? '54 seems very late for Mk I production. Possibly '44? I don't know how clear the numbers are on your rifle. Could also potentially be an FTR marking...

    I don't have any of my Faz rifles at hand, so I've pulled a representative photo from the internet as an example of their production markings.

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    Here's some pics. As you can see the 1st pic you can barely see the markings.
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    Definitely tough to read! It is certainly a Mk I though based on the tiebar on the fore-end. With the lack of date or "M47C" on the butt socket, it was not manufactured at BSA & the receiver markings & serial number are wrong for a Savage or Long Branch rifle. That leaves ROF Fazakerley or ROF Maltby, though my gut says Fazakerley.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 303 Gunner View Post
    Definitely tough to read! It is certainly a Mk I though based on the tiebar on the fore-end. With the lack of date or "M47C" on the butt socket, it was not manufactured at BSA & the receiver markings & serial number are wrong for a Savage or Long Branch rifle. That leaves ROF Fazakerley or ROF Maltby, though my gut says Fazakerley.
    would that number which looks like a 54 be the year of manufacture?

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    No, if it is indeed 54 (it looks like it to me too), it would have to be the date of a Factory Thorough Repair (FTR) rather than production. '54 is too late for a Mk I.

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    interesting. Thanks for the info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 303 Gunner View Post
    No, if it is indeed 54 (it looks like it to me too), it would have to be the date of a Factory Thorough Repair (FTR) rather than production. '54 is too late for a Mk I.
    Yes, I'm pretty sure that 1949 was last year that the Mk.1 were made.

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    Yes, odd that it says F51 on the butt socket. In agreement with 303Gunner, if push comes to shove my money's on it being of Faz original mfr. If the OP wants to remove the forend & have a look at the draws we can find out for sure. The draws (the two bosses that project down from the underside of the body of the rifle, onto which the sear & mag release catch are fitted) are symmetrical EXCEPT on rifles of Faz manufacture, where one is bigger than the other - they look obviously different. If it looks lop sided it's Fazackerley, but if both draws are the same it was made elsewhere, & in that event I would have thought BSA would be the next most likely candidate.
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    Ok I'll do that and get some pics

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