CMP ripps you off!!!

[hillbillyricky]

yea lets just let this blow over, no reason to have the CMP audited to find out how much money is being socked away for gun safety, who cares if they charge $500 for a power washed stock carbine with rust, some nim rod will pay for it, why evenbother with any having any requirements just open the store to the general public , hell they don't even bother to follow gun waiting laws, just take it home today, when will you fools realize they are ripping you off!!!

[Bill Hollinger]

Speaking of blowing over Ricky, let's not lose sight of some of the issues here please. Please name your source of "new production" ammo that is cheaper than CMP.

[John Kepler]

y when will you fools realize they are ripping you off!!!

And just who the hell are you to tell ME what to do with MY money?

[John Kepler]

yea lets just let this blow over, no reason to have the CMP audited to find out how much money is being socked away for gun safety,

Sparkey....the CMP and it's parent (CPRPFS), are 501(c)(3) corporations. Their books are public records, and they are routinely audited. If you're going to TRY and talk like you know something, you HAVE to get the FACTS right! BTW, the CMP is there for MARKSMANSHIP TRAINING (that's the "M" in the middle of "CMP"!), not "gun safety"!

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions...not their own facts!" D.P. Moynihan

[Capt Quahog]

As my dear departed mother used to tell me all the time .. " Your opinion has no cash value" . . . Going rate these days on the insane market for good 30.06 ammo is a buck a round or more. Can thank that guy Barry from Kenya for this odd situation of rampant public hysteria.


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[ROCK]

WHAT IS A TROLL?
1. An Internet "Troll" is a person who delights in sowing discord on the Internet. He (and it is usually he) tries to start arguments and upset people.

2. Trolls see Internet communications services as convenient venues for their bizarre game. For some reason, they don't "get" that they are hurting real people. To them, other Internet users are not quite human but are a kind of digital abstraction. As a result, they feel no sorrow whatsoever for the pain they inflict. Indeed, the greater the suffering they cause, the greater their 'achievement' (as they see it). At the moment, the relative anonymity of the net allows trolls to flourish.

3.Trolls are utterly impervious to criticism (constructive or otherwise). You cannot negotiate with them; you cannot cause them to feel shame or compassion; you cannot reason with them. They cannot be made to feel remorse. For some reason, trolls do not feel they are bound by the rules of courtesy or social responsibility.

4. Perhaps this sounds inconceivable. You may think, "Surely there is something I can write that will change them." But a true troll can not be changed by mere words.

WHY DOES IT MATTER?
1. Some people — particularly those who have been online for years — are not upset by trolls and consider them an inevitable hazard of using the net. As the saying goes, "You can't have a picnic without ants."

2. It would be nice if everybody was so easy-going, but the sad fact is that trolls do discourage people. Established posters may leave a message board because of the arguments that trolls ignite, and lurkers (people who read but do not post) may decide that they do not want to expose themselves to abuse and thus never get involved.

3. Another problem is that the negative emotions stirred up by trolls leak over into other discussions. Normally affable people can become bitter after reading an angry interchange between a troll and his victims, and this can poison previously friendly interactions between long-time users.
4. Finally, trolls create a paranoid environment, such that a casual criticism by a new arrival can elicit a ferocious and inappropriate backlash.

WHAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT TROLLS?
1. When you suspect that somebody is a troll, you might try responding with a polite, mild message to see if it's just somebody in a bad mood. Internet users sometimes let their passions get away from them when seated safely behind their keyboard. If you ignore their bluster and respond in a pleasant manner, they usually calm down.

2. However, if the person persists in being beastly, and seems to enjoy being unpleasant, the only effective position is summed up as follows:

3. The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls.

4. When you try to reason with a troll, he wins. When you insult a troll, he wins. When you scream at a troll, he wins. The only thing that trolls can't handle is being ignored.

WHAT NOT TO DO
1. As already stated, it is futile to try to "cure" a troll of his obsession. But perhaps you simply cannot bear the hostile environment that the troll is creating and want to go away for a while.

2. If you do that, then for the sake of the others on the system, please do not post a dramatic "Goodbye!" message. This convinces the troll that he is winning the battle. There is, perhaps, no message you can write on a message system that is as damaging as an announcement that you are leaving because of the hostility that the troll has kindled.

3. If you feel you must say something, a discreet message to the Administrator (and some of the others users, if you have their email addresses) is the best course of action. Incidentally, if you are writing the letter in an agitated state, it is a good idea to wait an hour and then give it one last review before you actually send it. That might spare you the pain of saying things that you don't really mean to people you like.

I DID NOT WRITE THAT MESSAGE, IT'S A FAKE!
1. Of course, sometimes you will find that people who know you well have already identified the message as a fake and have tagged it as such. After all, one of the troll's goals is to make you look bad. If you have a good reputation, people will be tipped off if a message that you apparently wrote is completely out of character.

2. Trolls have been known to become so irritated at having their spoofs identified that they have learned to write in another person's style. They may end up writing an intelligent message that is indistinguishable from your own golden words. If that happens, you can always just let the post stand and take credit for it!

3. Trolls will also sometimes write a "That Wasn't Me" message after a genuine one, attempting to elicit a denial. There really is no reason to give him what he wants, since a "That Wasn't Me" warning merely reminds people to be skeptical. That is to say, it is of no real consequence if somebody isn't sure that you wrote a normal message, since in the long run it is the ideas that are important.

OUR CHALLENGE
1. When trolls are ignored they step up their attacks, desperately seeking the attention they crave. Their messages become more and more foul, and they post ever more of them. Alternatively, they may protest that their right to free speech is being curtailed.

2. The Moderator or Administrator of a message board may not be able to delete a troll's messages right away, but their job is made much harder if they also have to read numerous replies to trolls. They are also forced to decide whether or not to delete posts from well-meaning folks which have the unintended effect of encouraging the troll.

3. Perhaps the most difficult challenge for a Administrator is deciding whether to take steps against a troll that a few people find entertaining. Some trolls do have a creative spark and have chosen to squander it on being disruptive. There is a certain perverse pleasure in watching some of them. Ultimately, though, the Administrator has to decide if the troll actually cares about putting on a good show for the regular participants, or is simply playing to an audience of one — himself

WHAT ABOUT FREE SPEECH?
1. When trolls find that their efforts are being successfully resisted, they often complain that their right to free speech is being infringed.

2. When a troll attacks a message board, he generally posts a lot of messages. Even if his messages are not particularly inflammatory, they can be so numerous that they drown out the regular conversations (this is known as 'flooding'). Needless to say, no one person's opinions can be allowed to monopolize a FORUM.

WHY DO THEY DO IT?
1. Affirmation.

2. Trolls crave attention, and they care not whether it is positive or negative. They see the Internet as a mirror into which they can gaze in narcissistic rapture.3. If you want a deeper analysis than that, perhaps a psychologist can shed some additional light on the matter.

CONCLUSION
1. Next time you are on a message board and you see a post by somebody whom you think is a troll, and you feel you must reply, simply write a follow-up message entitled "Troll Alert" and only type only that.

2.The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls.

3. By posting such a message, you let the troll know that you know what he is, and that you are not going to get dragged into his twisted little hobby.

[shooterm1]

"Certain forms of loudmouthism should be a capital offense in a civilized society." R.A. Heinlein

yes, yes - and we all know what a Troll Baiter Heinlein was ....

[Curt]

It looks like the CMP still provides Greek HXP at a reduced rate to affiliated clubs but the cost has gone up as well. It is currently 28 cents a round ( including shipping). Look at the "Club sales order form" on the CMP home page.

Well the deal was for at Cost ammo for use in instructional clinics (official CMP ones taught by CMP instructors).Cost being .12 then .17 As of my phone call early this week it is not even availible at .28 anymore. I think the price they gave me was .53 shipped.
The idea was to bring as many new shooters in as possible,and promote marksmanship I was just kinda bummed they decided to make a profit on that ammo as well, that was part of the deal they offered to clubs to hold sanctioned new shooter clinics.

[CSP ADMIN (Retired)]

Thread has run out of steam and probably had little redeeming discussion value in the first place.

Thread is now CLOSED and LOCKED, so please let's not rise to the bait and reopen it elsewhere.