British Proof Marks? - Interesting Remington 521T Find

[usabaker]

I won a PROXIBID auction for a 1948 Remington 521T (damaged in shipping but another unfolding story) that I needed to almost complete my collection of Remington 500 series rifles.

Upon inspection, I found stamps on the barrel, receiver, and bolt body that I have never run across on any Remington 500 series rifles, and I have looked at hundreds since I was a youngin'.

I'm making the assumption that these are British Proof Marks since there is a Crown with the letters BNP stamped below it on the receiver and bolt body and 22LG (dot) 610" *TONS PER [] (square stamp)

If these are British Proof Marks I have to wonder why, If it was for use with the military I would have thought the Remington 513T Miliraty variant would have been used over the 521T.

There is also a Braverman PGM, PA. stamped into the bottom of the barrel, I'm guessing that it for Braverman Arms Co. is its a company located in PA. But still trying to research this one.

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[Surpmil]

The 1933 Parker Hale catalogue I have here doesn't show this model, but it does show a considerable variety of American and German .22 rifles offered. There would be nothing surprising about such rifles being imported by a UK dealer AFAIK. Braverman was presumably the "re-importer" back into the USA.

Am a bit shocked by the rough filing around the front edge of the receiver!

M1907 sling?

[browningautorifle]

M1907 sling?

Looks like one of the 1" copies like "Uncle Mikes" makes.

[usabaker]

The 1933 Parker Hale catalogue I have here doesn't show this model, but it does show a considerable variety of American and German .22 rifles offered. There would be nothing surprising about such rifles being imported by a UK dealer AFAIK. Braverman was presumably the "re-importer" back into the USA. Am a bit shocked by the rough filing around the front edge of the receiver! M1907 sling?

You wouldn't have found it in a 1933 catalog, the 521T superseded the 521 TL "Junor Special" and wasn't produced until after mid-1957. The receivers are all ruff like that except on higher-end 500 series rifles like the 513T series, these were made on the cheap and formed out of drawn steel tubing. The same receiver was used on the variants of the 510's, 511's, 512's, 514, 521's, and 513's series. 'Almost' all parts interchange on these rifles, the 514 bolt being the biggest exception.

while built cheap, these rifles are very accurate. Our gun club still uses them to teach the Jr. Shooters.

The sling is not a M1907, but it was made in the same style.

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Looks like one of the 1" copies like "Uncle Mikes" makes.

Not sure what it is, it has pressed in designs on it. It must have been popular though, many rifles I have bought that pre-1970 had this sling, three of my Remington 500 series, a Pre-64 Win Model 70, and an old Glenfield Semi Auto 22 all had this same sling. This one, however, is in the best condition.

[breakeyp]

The markings are commercial, non military, proof markings. The rifle was exported to UK and proofed and later imported by Braverman.

[usabaker]

The markings are commercial, non military, proof markings. The rifle was exported to UK and proofed and later imported by Braverman.

Why would they proof a foreign-made commercial rifle, is this a government requirement for imported arms? Looking around, it seems that at least the Crown with the letters BNP stamped below it are on some military arms.

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That is cool. What do you still need to make the collection complete?

The heardest ones and the most expensive Routledge Bored and Skeetrap Rifle Model 510 Rifles and Model 513S

[Mk VII]

Why would they proof a foreign-made commercial rifle, is this a government requirement for imported arms? Looking around, it seems that at least the Crown with the letters BNP stamped below it are on some military arms.

The absence of a central proof authority in the USA means all US arms are deemed to be unproved and must undergo proof when they are offered for sale, unless they have been proved at some foreign proof house whose marks are given reciprocal recognition.



I have come across a document in the Public Records Office noting the arrival in Feb 1941 of 4000 Remington 341 and 341P .22's for issue to the Home Guard.

[usabaker]

The absence of a central proof authority in the USA means all US arms are deemed to be unproved and must undergo proof when they are offered for sale, unless they have been proved at some foreign proof house whose marks are given reciprocal recognition.

I find this fascinating, that every firearm coming into the UK from the US would need to be Proofed before sale. Reminds me of the California Law that "handgun model has passed firing, safety, and drop tests and is certified for sale in California by the Department of Justice. " This included UK handguns that have been tested and proofed LOL

California must have got the idea from the British Government; what better way to cloak gun control as a 'Saftey Issue' and gain revenue at the same time.

[Atticus Thraxx]

to almost complete my collection of Remington 500 series rifles.

That is cool. What do you still need to make the collection complete?

[Atticus Thraxx]

I can see why that line of Remington models would be attractive to collectors. I have a 513-T TM and a cool little 512X I won at auction when no one else bid on. Good for rats and such. Have the slightest little ding in the magazine tube and it's the only thing I see when I handle it, so I'll be addressing that at some point. I'll keep my eye's peeled for a local Routledge, I assume you saw the one on Gunbroker.