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    Beretta Gardone 1940 Information Needed

    New guy with a new to me Beretta Gardone 1940-XVIII. My wife picked this up for me at an estate sale. I have been doing a lot of research and know just enough to confuse myself. I am hoping someone smarter can help.
    I believe this would be considered a model 91, but which one? Calvary model, TS or 91/24. Not too sure if the furniture is original or if there has been any modifications over the years but it is in good shape. If anyone could help shed some light I would appreciate it.

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    Crown stamp with initials RE below serial number
    UF6171
    Beretta Gardone
    1940-XVIII
    Cal 6.5 on the rear sight
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    I would bet it is a sporterised 91/38. They started making them after deciding that we were not able to produce enough 7,35x51 rifles to avoid logistical nightmares on the line, so they reverted to the old, lovable 6,5x52 and stamped the calibre on the rifles, so as not to load the wrong ammo, being 6,5 and 7,35 almost identical. You can actually shoot 6,5 ind 7,35 rifles. You won't hit a barns wall from the inside, but it will shoot.
    The opposite is "less true"

    Here you have some info about the original version, before sporterising. I'll translate the most important for you.

    Main characteristics
    of rifles 38 in cal. 6,5 Rifle model 38
    muzzle velocity m/s 660
    recoil speed m/s 1,99
    sheer recoil force kg/cm² 0,69
    pressure atm 3.000
    gyroscopic speed of the bullet twists/m per minute 184.186
    weight without bayonet kg 3,45
    length without bayonet cm 102
    calibre between lands mm 6,5
    calibre between grooves mm 6,8
    barrel length mm 536 (82 calibres)
    rifling 4 grooves, right twist
    twist rate cm 21,5 constant
    depth of grooves mm 0,15
    length between lands mm 2
    length between grooves mm 3
    inclination of the grooves 5°26'
    34a cp., btg. Susa, 3° rgt. Alpini

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    Moschetto modello 38 cal. 6,5x52 BERETTA “Cavalry Carbine”

    www.il91.it

    anno matricola più bassa riscontrata matricola più alta riscontrata
    1940 UF414 UG3875

    Your serial number falls in between this range. The RE stands for Regio Esercito — Royal Army.
    It is missing a foldable spike bayonet which should be attached to the barrel.

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    The bottom one.


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    Keep that wife, don't let her escape under any circumstances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daan Kemp View Post
    Keep that wife, don't let her escape under any circumstances.
    I agree. I'm one of those lucky should myself. My wife has bought me my first Mosin Nagant as a present shortly after getting married. Then she's never argued about any firearm I bought.
    A few years ago she even bought me the Enfield No. 4...
    I'll certainly keep her.
    34a cp., btg. Susa, 3° rgt. Alpini

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daan Kemp View Post
    Keep that wife, don't let her escape under any circumstances.
    Absolutely!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommylotto View Post
    Moschetto modello 38 cal. 6,5x52 BERETTA “Cavalry Carbine”

    www.il91.it

    anno matricola più bassa riscontrata matricola più alta riscontrata
    1940 UF414 UG3875

    Your serial number falls in between this range. The RE stands for Regio Esercito — Royal Army.
    It is missing a foldable spike bayonet which should be attached to the barrel.
    Correct. I looked now and saw the front sight "clamp". It is a Cavalry Carbine.
    My fault
    34a cp., btg. Susa, 3° rgt. Alpini

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommylotto View Post
    Moschetto modello 38 cal. 6,5x52 BERETTA “Cavalry Carbine”

    www.il91.it

    anno matricola più bassa riscontrata matricola più alta riscontrata
    1940 UF414 UG3875

    Your serial number falls in between this range. The RE stands for Regio Esercito — Royal Army.
    It is missing a foldable spike bayonet which should be attached to the barrel.
    I've read that the bayonet was removed on the calvary models. There is a grove for the bayonet blade in the stock under the barrel but since there is no bayonet lug I question what I have read. The front sight appears to match the age of the gun but who knows what has happened to the rifle since 1940.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ovidio View Post
    I agree. I'm one of those lucky should myself. My wife has bought me my first Mosin Nagant as a present shortly after getting married. Then she's never argued about any firearm I bought.
    A few years ago she even bought me the Enfield No. 4...
    I'll certainly keep her.
    My wife thought she was getting an M1icon Garand I have been drooling over for years. She missed the mark on that one but this is a nice little toy too.

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