military scopes for .22 trainers

[B52]

During WW2 did the Army or Marines use .22 trainers with telescopes?

Thanks,
B52

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[n64atlas]

The Germans had a few that were scoped. I have never seen a WWII US one with original scope.

[Dave]

While the Marines and the Navy used 22 trainers, the Army never did. The few 22's purchased by the Army were gallery or target rifles (as were the AF ones) and were never used to train the troops on a mass scale. No scopes were used. Many posts had special service store rooms where recreational equipement could be borrowed and had rifles, I understand.

[wolfganggross]

The marines have used the Unertl 8x and the Lyman super target spot that were both marked USMC on the side of the scope. This little marking increase the scope value by 10. A springfield model 1922 and unertl scope was sold in Amoskeag Auuction Company in march 2004 for $6612.50. Before these, they were using Winchester a5 and Lyman 5a during national and international shooting matches. Most military branches had shooting teams back then. Wolfgang

[cheesewiththatwhine]

While the Marines and the Navy used 22 trainers, the Army never did. .

poppycock -

I think you'll find that the 1922 was used by the USA for training purposes.

cheese

[MK111]

If you say the Army never used .22 caliber trainers who did? If you concider the Mossbergs,Winchesters,Remingtons,Stevens, and H&R there was almost 100,000 .22 caliber rifles bought during WW11. The Navy, Marines and Air Force did not use all of them. Where is your infromation stating the Army used almost no .22 caliber trainers. I collect .22 caliber US Trainers and would find this infromation usefull.

[Dave]

MK111 and cheeze: I have a 1927 tech manual on small bore target ranges. It states, under purpose and scope: "indended for all branches of the using service equipped with small-bore gallery practice rifles". Sort of indicates not all branches were so equipped. At any rate this was 1927, by WW11 there would never had been enough to train millions of troops inducted. I know thousands more civilian models were purchased but I have never heard or read of Army troops being trained with these 22's ON A MASS regular scale. Plenty on the Navy with the Moss. 44US and the AAF only trained with shotguns (arial gunnery). I know these 22's were used by someone but I do not think the average WW11 army recruit ever saw one. There were never enough of the SA 1922's to do much 'training' with anyway, many were sold thru the DCM almost as soon as they were made. Major G.S. Patton, Jr. purchased a 1922M1 N.R.A. in 1930, #19539. Ofcourse it was a much smaller Army back then. SRS lists many of these rifles during the war years, NG Units, Museums, Universities, Service Commands, even High Schools. Sale lists from SRS are as early as 1925.
The services called them "small bore gallery practice rifles" never training rifles
which would indicate training all troops with them before going to big bore or service rifles. And that did not happen. I also have a training manual dated 1923 which is on basic indiviual rifle marksmanship. It no-where mentions the 1922, .22, only the 1903 service rifle.

[krag99]

I have heard that the academys did have some target scopes for the use of their rifle teams- these will have inventory numbers etched on them- I have a lyman super spot that is and supposedly came from the air force academy post war

[Big Larry]

Krag99, check your PM box. Big Larry

[breakeyp]

Has the National Matches at Camp Perry ever allowed telescopic sights in match shooting???? Military target shooting has always been geared off what is allowed at Perry to my limited knowledge.