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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy W View Post
    Envoys were not made in numerical order. Envoy E84 was made with a D69 action but was produced on 28th Sept 1971.

    So, even if you have a low number ENVOY, it doesn't automatically mean it was an early one.

    D70 dated actions were not used until much higher numbering.


    Its been said that Enfield made up a batch of Envoy-marked receivers (possibly 800 or 1,000) and then just built them up as and when. Hence the numbering not correlating to the assembly/sale date.

    They had to mill off the "Envoy" markings when they came up with the Enforcer and built the first batches using unsold Envoy receivers - ie the ones with the milled ovoid area.


    Does anyone have the Enfield data? Presumably there were about 6-800 Envoys built and sold, 200-odd Envoy receivers built as Enforcers, and then about another 500 fresh receivers prepared for Enforcers.

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    451 Envoys made and dispatched

    The lowest number is E.1.
    The highest number is in the low 500's
    Many gaps in the numbers, not made up.

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    Here is my well-used example that has been adjusted more than once. For some reason, a very unskilled person wanted the barrel completely free-floating but on the plus side I was able to get a little history on it. The letter from Fulton also gives a few more serial numbers from its batch.

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    It's ironic that Monte Carlo butt stocks were proposed by Long Branch - S.A.L. in 1944, successfully trialed in the UKicon, then never adopted for the No4(T) or L42, and even ignored while this similar butt was being fitted to the Envoys and Enforcers.

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