I remember when we used to shoot them.

[drm2m]

Patrick,

I bought this book back in the early 70s after I gave this rifle to my father for Christmas.

After looking at the book tonight I see no references to Montreal or Joseph Manton "Warranted" lock markings.....so I am not much more wise in this regard.

I suspect that they did manufacture (convert) flintlocks to "cap locks"
(Percussion...that I did see)

Thanks for the Manton /Montreal reference....I had no idea.
Some family......not a clue?

David

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[M1Tommy]

Back in the late 60s & early 70s my father and I used to shoot these old guys....the rifle ...45 cal approx. was quite accurate.
A Pennsylvania style rifle with a Joseph Manton "Warranted” lock.

The Wheeler & Son English pistol (approx ..64 cal.) might have been lethal at very close range ….perhaps?

I still have the powder, caps and balls for these guns.....but they have been quiet for a long time.

It was great fun……I guess I miss it.

David

The folks at the TMA would definitely appreciate seeing those photos.

Tommy

LINK to TMA forum:
Traditional Muzzleloading Association

[Patrick Chadwick]

Sorry drm2m, Stöckel does not mention any family connection.
I wish I had that book "The Manton Supplement"!
If you look closely at the photo of Col. Hawker's rifle you can see what is meant by a "drum and nipple conversion" - A piece that was inserted to replace the original flintlock touch-hole in order to convert the rifle into a percussion rifle. Look at your own rifle. Looks similar in principle. Even looks as if it has a square boss to tighten/unscrew the insert.

I would still follow the principle of Occam's razor - don't look for complex answers if a simpler answer fits the facts. In this case, for a rifle bought in Montreal, with a lockplate marked Joseph Manton, the obvious provider is the Joseph Manton who was active in Montreal at about the right time. However, as we are both not quite sure, the advice of M1Tommy sounds sensible.

Patrick

[drm2m]

My father and I used to shoot these two original CW pistols back in the early 70s.

Remington New Model 1858 Army Revolver and Starr Model 1858 D.A. Army Revolver.

Would I ever do it again….NEVER!
Not original pieces ….with original finish and clear markings.

The Remington is an accurate well balanced pistol….the Starr less so.

The Remington is a very nice revolver…..better than the equivalent Model 1860 Colt in my humble opinion.

The quicker exchange of a replacement loaded cylinder with the Remington was a reality.








David





The Model 1860 Colt Army revolver.

[drm2m]

For some reason the image of the Remington and Starr did not transfer to the post above from Photo Bucket.

David

[drm2m]

The next owner will decide if he wants to shoot these CW revolvers....it won't be me.

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David

[drm2m]

One model holster that served two model CW revolvers.

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David

[drm2m]

I have the ammunition...original and reload...I can not bring myself to shoot these two CW carbines/Indian war conversions.

Model 1860 Spencer carbine and New Model 1863 Sharps carbine.














These guns will not fit into...."I remember when we used to shoot them".

David

[drm2m]

Years ago I bought these .50-.70 cartridges for this New Model 1863 Sharps carbine (center fire conversion of 1867)
with the thought of shooting this gun….it has never happened.

The cartridges are a mix of original cartridges and cartridges
that came from Dixie Gun Works.

David

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[drm2m]

As I look back…there was a time when shooting these guns would not have been a second thought.

Something changed?

David

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Model 1851 Colt Army-Navy...martially marked with U.S. on the frame..with inspector's cartouche on the grip.










Model 1842 musket , .69 caliber, with decent markings.











Model 1849 Colt Pocket model with clear markings and some original finish.