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    With Bayonet Fixed?

    I hire a 12 year old neighbor boy to help me with some projects around the farm. Nice kid! Since he and his family hunt, he has some experience with firearms (he already has a nice 8 point buck to his credit!) but, of course knows nothing of Garands. I think at least one member of his generation should fire the M1icon. I have a WWII Winchester and I would like to conduct a combined history lesson and experiment with him as the shooter. I have never fired it with the bayonet. I'd like to have him fire a clip w/o and then a clip with the bayonet @ 100 yds. My question: What can I expect regarding point of impact change/wise with the bayonet?

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    Nice thought but I would wonder putting 16 rounds through a Garand at the age of 12 hhhmmm may be a bit punishing, I think I was about 14 when I first fired a 303 with ball ammo in the cadets at the end of our range day I was a tad sore. Still he may take to it like a duck to water, do a couple of rounds as a test to see how he likes the recoil.

    Funny thing on recoil I found out about once ~ I had a 336 early Marlin 444 and it was a cantankerous thing to target shoot with especially with my hot 240 grainers (2400 FPS 3,070 FPE (Hornady books ballistics) as you knew what was coming and believe me after 5 rounds you really felt like gotta put this thing away.
    I was hunting through some low under brush, suckers and bull rush for a roo (roo tail soup, dog food & skin for a quiver pouch) very early, sun was just coming up over the hill into my valley and I was up sun of the 2 roo's that were feeding below, as I was watching and moving carefully its at that point things got interesting.
    You do not forget how a sow will gnash its jaw when protecting its young (piggery days) as that's what I heard first to my right sure enough at about 15 yards was a sow @ 40kg live lined up on me ready to drop the hammer it was rather a twisting body raising sighting and firing that set things alight.

    First round took her through the snout which flung her down 2nd round into her chest stopped her antics, except after the first shot I awoke a rather large contingent of fellow feral pigs not a good place to be in by oneself alone and miles from my car!
    Of the remaining 3 rounds I put 2 into the dirt and one towards the moon to keep the B's on the move but I was pretty much sh*tting myself old man boar did not locomotive through the bush and take me out.
    But the 5 rounds I fired as fast as the action would cycle did not even feel them, to do that from a bench with that thing was asking for a hang on its gunna go off.
    So one feels recoil more when buck fever is not present the M1icon may be heavier and a semi auto but the 30/06 round has far more poke that the poor old 303.
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    M1s are fairly heavy compared to a sporting rifle, that mass helps absorb most of that recoil.

    Mine doesn't shoot much different, just an inch or so lower. Your results may vary.

    I hear those wild watermelons are quite abundant this year. I think they opened an open season on them. Might want to see if he'd be interested in a watermelon hunt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BVZ24 View Post
    just an inch or so lower. Your results may vary.
    Agreed, it might shoot up or down a bit but nothing radical. It affects the barrel lash more than anything.
    Regards, Jim

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    Make sure he gets a good spot weld on the stock... I saw lots of bloody noses in basic. If you aren't used to a peep sight, the temptation is to hold it too close to your eye. Bad idea with the M1icon!
    Real men measure once and cut.

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