I would imagine that there are a few individuals currently in Russia being very careful what they eat, drink, touch and trying to avoid having any "unexpected accidents".
Quite possibly the Wagner Group were expecting at least some support from within the Russian military which may or may not have materialised.
One should be careful for what one wishes for regarding any possible replacement of President Putin. A replacement could make President Putin appear like a moderate in retrospect.
Putin has many foes in his own military. By contrast, Yevgeny Viktorovich Prigozhin has been a longtime ally. I'm beginning to hear speculation from Russia observers that this could have been a false flag operation to expose some of Putin's enemies in the military. Time, and the survival of Prigozhin if it happens, may tell.
Bob
"It is said, 'Go not to the elves for counsel for they will say both no and yes.' "
Frodo Baggins to Gildor Inglorion, The Fellowship of the Ring
I would suggest whilst he is in Belarus he stays on the bottom floor of a hotel or house as it seems Russian dissidents fall from windows when staying in the upper floors!!!!!!!
Putin has many foes in his own military. By contrast, Yevgeny Viktorovich Prigozhin has been a longtime ally. I'm beginning to hear speculation from Russia observers that this could have been a false flag operation to expose some of Putin's enemies in the military. Time, and the survival of Prigozhin if it happens, may tell.
Bob
Bob-- I thought that too. There will probably lots of folks looking for a better view or getting "sick" from "food poisoning".
you can not believe a single word that the media presents on Russia , China , or Ukraine , they present a narrative that will keep the drone citizens satisfied that they are doing the right thing by supporting that war , all the while people like Biden and Zelinski are filling their personal coffers ,ive been against the US support of that war from Day one , you must pick your battles , cant get involved in everything
the fact is Bidens dirty dealings are why the US supports that , hes compromised , he was presented a ultimatum , either throw billions at us and they both get richer or they expose all his corruption while he was VP to Curious George and in charge of Ukraine affairs
facts are , the conditions in Ukraine were so bad for most that half the country wanted to annex back into Russia ,Putin exhausted all diplomatic avenues to get Ukraine to restore flow of the Crimea River to Crimea , a river that supplies 90% of the countries water and is under Russia regardless of by the means , Ukraine built the dam , and shut off all water , Crimean's have access to drinking water for 4 hours a day , for a decade or more
then there is the fact that Ukraine border is only 500 KM from Moscow , and Nato was entertaining induction of Ukraine into Nato which is in direct violation of their treaty with Russia to not advance Nato countries any further East towards Russia , instead the were proposing not only that but worse , a country that actually bordered Russia and was 500 Km from its capital , thats like Russia putting a base 500 miles into Mexico from the border , remember the Cuban Missile Crisis? how is this any different what Nato was proposing , like it or not , Putin is doing what is necessary to ensure the security of his country , this was 100% instigated by Nato , Ukraine , and the US , is Putin a good guy? no , but in this instance he is in the right , and Nato and the US government will paint you every picture to make it seem like Putin is the bad guy in this , and they are using the media to spoon feed you this , which leads to another whole conversation
just keep in mind , Ukraine was dubbed " the most corrupt government in the world" , thats saying something given the fact Africa is part of said world , any coincidence Biden is so cozy with Ukraine and Billions of our tax dollars have gone there with zero provisions to accountability where those funds end up? poof gone
you MUST ask yourself if Ukraine is such a dishonest and disgusting country why would Nato wish to bring them in the fold renegging on their agreement with Russia , its been a series of poke in putins eye after another , everyone said no way he invades Ukraine , i was saying you were an idiot for believing he will not , he has a bafoon in the white house , he has China and Iran backing him , he has Saudia Arabia about to ditch the dollar and move to Chinese backed currency , it was now or never
Not to disagree with you because I agree 100% with everything you posted but playing devil's advocate, couldn't you say that Russia broke the treaty first in 2014 by invading Crimea and keeping it as their own? I've always understood, but like you say, I've been going by the mainstream media basically and YouTube videos, but I've always understood them breaking their treaty going into NATO was basically pay back for annexing Crimea
being very careful what they eat, drink, touch and trying to avoid having any "unexpected accidents".
PM
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