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    The best bet in Wi for surplus goodies is the big Fond du Lac fair grounds gun show. But parts are difficult too find due to so many RTI dogs people are trying to repair at most shows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 72 usmc View Post
    The best bet in Wi for surplus goodies is the big Fond du Lac fair grounds gun show. But parts are difficult too find due to so many RTI dogs people are trying to repair at most shows.
    I haven't purchased anything from Royal Tiger. Heard too many tales of woe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neuraleanus View Post
    On the issue of the Savage mag, how would I go about reshaping it? A bit of hammering with a ball-peen?
    NO NO NO

    It is a very delicate, almost microscopic, adjustment.
    A small pair of needle-nose pliers and tweak the left hand side tab 'upwards' by 1/64" and see if it improves, if not try another 1/64" repeat a couple more times if still no sucess, then try putting the tab back to the original position and tweak the other tab.

    Keep adjusting until you get it to work properly.
    Mine are not the best, but they are not too bad. I can think of lots of Enfields I'd rather have but instead of constantly striving for more, sometimes it's good to be satisfied with what one has...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neuraleanus View Post
    A bit of hammering with a ball-peen?
    That would end it's little life. They're SO soft. Just a tweak as A de E states.
    Quote Originally Posted by Alan de Enfield View Post
    It is a very delicate, almost microscopic, adjustment.
    Regards, Jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan de Enfield View Post
    NO NO NO

    It is a very delicate, almost microscopic, adjustment.
    A small pair of needle-nose pliers and tweak the left hand side tab 'upwards' by 1/64" and see if it improves, if not try another 1/64" repeat a couple more times if still no sucess, then try putting the tab back to the original position and tweak the other tab.

    Keep adjusting until you get it to work properly.
    This is what I did:

    I left the follower itself alone. I compared the height of the follower hump to the one that was working and found them to be identical. I also noticed that the right-most tab on the mag body was bent up more allowing a higher follower hump over the top edge of the mag. Upon hammering the tab a bit this reduced the follower height and I was able to make the follower profile appear more like the other mag. The result is rounds are no longer popping up out of the receiver, but sometimes the right-most cartridge will get stuck. The other mag does not do this. The left-side tab doesn't seem to have much of an effect on the follower position. I have not touched the rear tabs. Not sure what to try next.

    This endeavor brings up an interesting question. If the Brits matched mags to each rifle what was their procedure? Is there a check-list of things to do, or is this all lost to time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neuraleanus View Post
    Is there a check-list of things to do, or is this all lost to time?
    Peter Laidlericon and a few others will have a checklist, not lost to time at all. The final thing you are chasing is just a minor tweek with the mag and your problem will be gone.
    Regards, Jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neuraleanus View Post
    This is what I did:

    I left the follower itself alone. I compared the height of the follower hump to the one that was working and found them to be identical. I also noticed that the right-most tab on the mag body was bent up more allowing a higher follower hump over the top edge of the mag. Upon hammering the tab a bit this reduced the follower height and I was able to make the follower profile appear more like the other mag. The result is rounds are no longer popping up out of the receiver, but sometimes the right-most cartridge will get stuck. The other mag does not do this. The left-side tab doesn't seem to have much of an effect on the follower position. I have not touched the rear tabs. Not sure what to try next.
    Break through:
    At least for this rifle, sample size of one, not only is the degree of bend of the front right-most tab an issue, but so is its shape. In comparing to my other mag I noticed that the rear corner had been removed. Upon filing this corner a bit the problem of stuck rounds was greatly diminished. Rounds are cycling much better now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neuraleanus View Post
    Break through:
    At least for this rifle, sample size of one, not only is the degree of bend of the front right-most tab an issue, but so is its shape. In comparing to my other mag I noticed that the rear corner had been removed. Upon filing this corner a bit the problem of stuck rounds was greatly diminished. Rounds are cycling much better now.
    Great news.

    This is why the magazines were dedicated to each individual rifle, and eventually were actually numbered to match to avoid any chance of them being lost.

    Once the numbering instruction was introduced for new rifles, the instruction was also sent out to all armourers that the magazine should be numbered on all existing rifles the next time they came in for their regular sevice check-up.

    In theory, if you have an un-numbered magazine then it is not original to the rifle, however, not all commonwealth countries followed instructions so it is possible that it was never numbered to the rifle.

    The (alleged) Frenchicon Resistance No4 rifles have 'mislaid' their magazines so you are always going to be starting from behind the 8-ball and will have to adjust & tune them to fit.
    Mine are not the best, but they are not too bad. I can think of lots of Enfields I'd rather have but instead of constantly striving for more, sometimes it's good to be satisfied with what one has...

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    Finally got these rifles to the range. Both rifles functioned well and I was able to load using a charger. Recoil was much less than what I had imagined. At 100 yards out of twenty shots I only hit the target once. Most guys there were using scopes. No key-holing. I'm a newbie. On the No. 4, I wonder whether I should of used the flip-up sight rather than the battle sight. I made no attempt to zero it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neuraleanus View Post
    Finally got these rifles to the range. Both rifles functioned well and I was able to load using a charger. Recoil was much less than what I had imagined. At 100 yards out of twenty shots I only hit the target once. Most guys there were using scopes. No key-holing. I'm a newbie. On the No. 4, I wonder whether I should of used the flip-up sight rather than the battle sight. I made no attempt to zero it.
    Yes, use the 'flip up sight' it has a far smaller 'hole' so you are more accurate.

    Start at (say) 20 yards get on target, move out to 50 yards, get on target, move out to 75 yards, get on target move out to 100 yards and you'll still be on target.

    Unless you are using original MkVII military ammunition the sight calibrations will not be accurate, you need to make up your own crib-sheet for sight settings - you may find (just as an example) that at 50 yards you need the sights set at 200 yards, whilst at 200 yards you need the sights set at 250 yards.

    With the 'flip-up' sight my Savage is capable of under 1 MoA (when I do my part)

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    Mine are not the best, but they are not too bad. I can think of lots of Enfields I'd rather have but instead of constantly striving for more, sometimes it's good to be satisfied with what one has...

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