+ Reply to Thread
Results 1 to 7 of 7

Thread: Corrosive, Berdan, or both?

Click here to increase the font size Click here to reduce the font size
  1. #1
    FREE MEMBER
    NO Posting or PM's Allowed
    XRING's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Last On
    02-11-2010 @ 05:56 PM
    Location
    YankeeLand USA
    Posts
    5
    Local Date
    04-26-2024
    Local Time
    06:06 PM

    Corrosive, Berdan, or both?

    I'm sure there are those on this forum who will know. I have several boxes marked .303 inch Mk 7 I.S.A.A. (under an arrow).
    The headstamp is:
    R(arrow)L
    51
    and an upside-down 7.

    I pulled a round but the powder is locked in with a tight-fitting wad. So I could not determine if it was berdan. Is this corrosive? Who made it?
    Thanx

    Regards
    XRING
    Information
    Warning: This is a relatively older thread
    This discussion is older than 360 days. Some information contained in it may no longer be current.

  2. # ADS
    Friends and Sponsors
    Join Date
    October 2006
    Location
    Milsurps.Com
    Posts
    All Threads
    A Collector's View - The SMLE Short Magazine Lee Enfield 1903-1989. It is 300 8.5x11 inch pages with 1,000+ photo’s, most in color, and each book is serial-numbered.  Covering the SMLE from 1903 to the end of production in India in 1989 it looks at how each model differs and manufacturer differences from a collecting point of view along with the major accessories that could be attached to the rifle. For the record this is not a moneymaker, I hope just to break even, eventually, at $80/book plus shipping.  In the USA shipping is $5.00 for media mail.  I will accept PayPal, Zelle, MO and good old checks (and cash if you want to stop by for a tour!).  CLICK BANNER to send me a PM for International pricing and shipping. Manufacturer of various vintage rifle scopes for the 1903 such as our M73G4 (reproduction of the Weaver 330C) and Malcolm 8X Gen II (Unertl reproduction). Several of our scopes are used in the CMP Vintage Sniper competition on top of 1903 rifles. Brian Dick ... BDL Ltd. - Specializing in British and Commonwealth weapons Specializing in premium ammunition and reloading components. Your source for the finest in High Power Competition Gear. Here at T-bones Shipwrighting we specialise in vintage service rifle: re-barrelling, bedding, repairs, modifications and accurizing. We also provide importation services for firearms, parts and weapons, for both private or commercial businesses.
     

  3. #2
    Legacy Member Alan de Enfield's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Last On
    Today @ 06:06 PM
    Location
    Y Felinheli, Gogledd Cymru
    Posts
    2,544
    Real Name
    Alan De Enfield
    Local Date
    04-27-2024
    Local Time
    12:06 AM
    The R /|\ L is "Royal Laboratories" manufacture.
    The 51 is 1951 for year of manufacture.
    The 7 could be Mk7 ammunition but it is normally coded "MkVII"

    Is almost definately corrosive.
    Berdan - probably but dont know for sure.

  4. Avoid Ads - Become a Contributing Member - Click HERE
  5. #3
    FREE MEMBER
    NO Posting or PM's Allowed
    smellione's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Last On
    04-26-2009 @ 05:53 AM
    Location
    Lexton Victoria Australia
    Age
    53
    Posts
    11
    Local Date
    04-27-2024
    Local Time
    09:06 AM
    Yes definitely corrosive. Would be amazed if it was not berdan primed as well. Do what i do collect the military stuff and reload your own regards Al.

  6. #4
    Advisory Panel
    Peter Laidler's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Last On
    04-13-2024 @ 05:00 AM
    Location
    Abingdon, Oxfordshire. The home of MG Cars
    Posts
    16,510
    Real Name
    Peter Laidler
    Local Date
    04-27-2024
    Local Time
    12:06 AM
    Best advice I was ever taught is this. Treat ALL ammo as corrosive AND errosive

  7. Thank You to Peter Laidler For This Useful Post:


  8. #5
    FREE MEMBER
    NO Posting or PM's Allowed
    cary m2a's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Last On
    10-11-2009 @ 08:56 PM
    Location
    Pacific northwest U.S.A.
    Posts
    155
    Local Date
    04-26-2024
    Local Time
    04:06 PM
    I would also treat it as corrosive and if you use it clean good then ck. in a day or two and clean again .I'm with smellione, reload the stuff you want to shoot so you know what your feeding your rifle.

    Cary

  9. #6
    Legacy Member Bruce_in_Oz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Last On
    Today @ 05:19 PM
    Location
    Brisbane
    Posts
    2,247
    Local Date
    04-27-2024
    Local Time
    09:06 AM
    If (as I suspect) the primer is copper coloured and 1/4" diameter, it is a mercuric/chlorate based primer.

    Thus it is wildly corrosive, because of the chlorate, and the brass will be contaminated by the mercury upon firing and rapidly become brittle.

    The thing about those primers is that they were designed to go off first time, every time, regardless of the weather outside. We scrooge-like reloaders were not in the calculation.

    The Germans were messing about with lead-based priming compounds well before WW1, but the early stuff was not 100% reliable. Nobody in military circles got too excited about the corrosive angle until gas operated weapons appeared in large quantities: the troops just had to clean things properly and regularly, usually under NCO supervision. And, if something got a bit too scruffy, you could always get the armourer to fix it or the Quartermaster to replace it, and hit the slack digger with a charge for good measure.

  10. Thank You to Bruce_in_Oz For This Useful Post:


  11. #7
    Legacy Member Mk VII's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Last On
    Yesterday @ 05:37 PM
    Location
    England
    Age
    62
    Posts
    1,409
    Real Name
    James West
    Local Date
    04-27-2024
    Local Time
    12:06 AM
    Yes, it will be corrosive. They remained so until about 1960. This appears to be the last year RG loaded Mk.7 - next year they were loading Mk.7z with a noticeably different primer residue; not nearly so tenacious (Eleyprime, I seem to recall).
    The Woolwich Arsenal seem to have got out of the smallarms ammunition business by this time. Kynoch seem to have loaded Mk.7 as late as 1965, presumably for commercial sales.

  12. Thank You to Mk VII For This Useful Post:


+ Reply to Thread

Similar Threads

  1. Berdan Primers
    By tower06 in forum Ammunition and Reloading for Old Milsurps
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 06-04-2009, 10:56 PM
  2. Berdan to Boxer
    By Tor in forum Ammunition and Reloading for Old Milsurps
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: 05-07-2009, 02:18 AM
  3. Berdan Primers
    By chrsm in forum Ammunition and Reloading for Old Milsurps
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 12-24-2008, 02:02 AM
  4. 7.62x39 Corrosive or not?
    By Calum in forum Ammunition and Reloading for Old Milsurps
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: 07-17-2008, 12:41 AM
  5. Non Corrosive 7.62x39mm
    By Garand in forum Ammunition and Reloading for Old Milsurps
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 12-18-2006, 07:00 AM

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts