+ Reply to Thread
Results 1 to 7 of 7

Thread: Anyone care to guess the age of ?

Click here to increase the font size Click here to reduce the font size
  1. #1
    FREE MEMBER
    NO Posting or PM's Allowed
    RJW NZ's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Last On
    10-04-2014 @ 11:58 PM
    Location
    Auckland NZ
    Posts
    1,241
    Local Date
    04-29-2024
    Local Time
    06:27 AM

    Anyone care to guess the age of ?

    I'm trying to match, age wise, the approximate aperture sight to my fultons no1mk3. I'm considering BSA G's, AGP, etc, something with a bit more character than the usual ph5a.
    Its says BSA Co on the right side of the wrist, no other marks on the wrist or receiver left or right side, the knox has two sets of numbers on the right, top is 505c in an enfield looking font, and below it is 9651 in a fractionally smaller and italicized font.
    Any guesses as to the decade?

    Unrelated Q; if one had to frame a golden age of target shooting with military rifles, what era would it be? I automatically think Edwardian but...
    Information
    Warning: This is a relatively older thread
    This discussion is older than 360 days. Some information contained in it may no longer be current.

  2. # ADS
    Friends and Sponsors
    Join Date
    October 2006
    Location
    Milsurps.Com
    Posts
    All Threads
    A Collector's View - The SMLE Short Magazine Lee Enfield 1903-1989. It is 300 8.5x11 inch pages with 1,000+ photo’s, most in color, and each book is serial-numbered.  Covering the SMLE from 1903 to the end of production in India in 1989 it looks at how each model differs and manufacturer differences from a collecting point of view along with the major accessories that could be attached to the rifle. For the record this is not a moneymaker, I hope just to break even, eventually, at $80/book plus shipping.  In the USA shipping is $5.00 for media mail.  I will accept PayPal, Zelle, MO and good old checks (and cash if you want to stop by for a tour!).  CLICK BANNER to send me a PM for International pricing and shipping. Manufacturer of various vintage rifle scopes for the 1903 such as our M73G4 (reproduction of the Weaver 330C) and Malcolm 8X Gen II (Unertl reproduction). Several of our scopes are used in the CMP Vintage Sniper competition on top of 1903 rifles. Brian Dick ... BDL Ltd. - Specializing in British and Commonwealth weapons Specializing in premium ammunition and reloading components. Your source for the finest in High Power Competition Gear. Here at T-bones Shipwrighting we specialise in vintage service rifle: re-barrelling, bedding, repairs, modifications and accurizing. We also provide importation services for firearms, parts and weapons, for both private or commercial businesses.
     

  3. #2
    Advisory Panel Thunderbox's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Last On
    01-10-2022 @ 02:07 PM
    Posts
    1,150
    Local Date
    04-29-2024
    Local Time
    01:27 PM
    1930s commercial BSA.

  4. Avoid Ads - Become a Contributing Member - Click HERE
  5. #3
    Advisory Panel
    Peter Laidler's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Last On
    Yesterday @ 11:48 AM
    Location
    Abingdon, Oxfordshire. The home of MG Cars
    Posts
    16,513
    Real Name
    Peter Laidler
    Local Date
    04-29-2024
    Local Time
    02:27 PM
    That's what I'd say too. Called in by the government in 1939 and renumbered. Quite why the rifles were all renumbered with a what they called a 'census number' is a bit of a mystery because there was already a serial number. Someone from the Ordnance world told me many many years ago that the reason was because the commercial 'serial' number wasn't an Ordnance 'registered number'. The difference being that an Ordnance 'registered number' was never (?) duplicated whereas a commercial serial number was often duplicated, depending on the whim of the customer.

    Not duplicated in THEORY, but certainly duplicated in PRACTICE, albeit by mistake!

    I think that the right sight for it would be the BSA commercial type 9 (1912) type........ and guess what I have just been enquiring about?

  6. #4
    Legacy Member Steve H. in N.Y.'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Last On
    Yesterday @ 07:55 AM
    Location
    You get one guess
    Posts
    525
    Local Date
    04-29-2024
    Local Time
    09:27 AM

    Another suggestion

    In addition to the 9G and 5A, the 1936 Parker-Hale catalog lists the "Plus Five". It's a neat looking folding sight - kind of like a modernized version of the No.9 series. I want one.

    http://www.rifleman.org.uk/PH_Service_sights_Main.htm

  7. #5
    Legacy Member Strangely Brown's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Last On
    Yesterday @ 06:49 AM
    Location
    Wiltshire UK
    Age
    72
    Posts
    552
    Real Name
    Mick Kelly
    Local Date
    04-29-2024
    Local Time
    02:27 PM
    The Parker Plus Five is the "beefier" of the folding sights and I believe the last of it's type.
    BSA No9's appear to me more prolific than the aformentioned and the 5a is probably the most common seen in the UKicon on the smelly.
    Mick

  8. #6
    Legacy Member Mk VII's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Last On
    04-25-2024 @ 05:37 PM
    Location
    England
    Age
    62
    Posts
    1,409
    Real Name
    James West
    Local Date
    04-29-2024
    Local Time
    02:27 PM
    I've got one of those 'Plus Five' ones here. One would have to sand the forend down if it overhangs the metal much (as many wartime ones do).
    The additional number seems to be a thing on those pre-1914 commercial sales ones. Might be connected with the SALE PERMIT marking which they had at the time.

  9. #7
    FREE MEMBER
    NO Posting or PM's Allowed
    RJW NZ's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Last On
    10-04-2014 @ 11:58 PM
    Location
    Auckland NZ
    Posts
    1,241
    Local Date
    04-29-2024
    Local Time
    06:27 AM
    Thread Starter
    What a nice surprise, of the two favorite sights I have here one is actually a plus 5. Based on its looks I'd guessed it as being a much earlier item.
    The other sight I have here that isn't mentioned except in general terms in the Rifleman site is a TZ AJP model L. The nomenclature is well explained there but with the L designation its outside what they describe, so its a bit of a mystery.
    . Apparently on TZ sights the last digits are the year of introduction and the ones preceding the slash are the model its designed for.

+ Reply to Thread

Similar Threads

  1. I guess the smiley options are good....
    By Michael03a3 in forum M1903/1903A3/A4 Springfield Rifle
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 03-02-2009, 11:46 AM
  2. Some books about the care of firearms.
    By Gibbs505 in forum Book and Video Review Corner
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 07-17-2008, 12:05 AM
  3. Anyone care for Ka-Bars
    By sdh1911 in forum Edged Weapons Forum
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 08-21-2007, 10:39 AM
  4. Best Way To Care For Stocks
    By Transitsc in forum Milsurps General Discussion Forum
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 01-15-2007, 02:11 PM

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts