Win OR Lose World War II ???

[al b03]

Last evening good friends and I sitting around had an interesting discussion, and I'd like to have all your honest input into this question: If this Government that we have today, and the current Main Stream Media were in place on Dec. 7th, 1941; do you think we could have won WWII????

We tried to be fair and honest in our opinions, and the group agreed We'd probably be Dead, goose stepping, and heil Hitlering, or bent over in rice paddies growing food for our honorable Masters. SCARY ISN'T IT? al b03

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[Art]

If you took todays leadership and put them in charge in 1941 with the 1941 population of the United States we would have still won the war. I believe if the leadership of 1941 had the U.S. population of today the issue would definately be in doubt.

[talucah]

Not to mention our industry then and now.
Bob

[0311Shooter]

A great topic, I had to think about it awhile.

Our military is still top notch and technologically ahead of other countries. But it won't be for long. What the bunch in Washington don't (or can't) realize is we have to keep advancing. Our fighters are the best in the world but you can bet that Russia and China are burning the midnight oil to catch up.

We have to be thinking about what happens 5 years down the line, 10 years. And we have to be prepared for any threat, some not even out there yet.

So, if you are asking if I think the bunch in Washington has these thoughts in mind?????

Do I have to answer that?

[Alaskan]

No for several reasons.
First lend lease to aid the British before we entered the war. I don't think we would have supported them and it's likely they would have fallen to the Germans.
Remember there was a lot of anti-war pressure before we entered the war. Roosevelt did a lot of backdoor support with Churchill. We had a lot of our politians supporting Germany.

On the Pacific side not so sure, but again let the Japenese have the captured area and make peace. We still have people that think we were wrong to fight them in the Pacific and that they were only reacting to American aggression in the area.

It wouldn't have taken much to change the outcome of WW2. There were several critical points where a different attack/retreat would have lost us the war.

[JohnMOhio]

I would guess it would not have made any difference. The world then was in a major conflict, not like the gorilla wars going on with terrorists today. The attack a Pearl and the attack on the World Trade Center were basically the same and the US population rallied to the call united. At least for a while. I believe the difference was the mandate of the UN to get Sadam out of Kuwait rather than an all out war as happening in Europe at the time.

The current administration as it is, would have had to change. If you recall, our nation was somewhat neutral except for the lend lease of equipment and arms to England etc. It was "their war" until Pearl and then it became our war since Japan, Germany and Italy had signed their treaties. With the Pacific fleet destroyed, the concern was our west coast and the US had to take the fight to Japan.

The media on the other hand could not change the facts as they were happening. Japans attack changed the attitude of the US population as did the attack on the Twin Towers. Todays population may not see the threat as it really is, but if the terrorists get though current safe guards, and bombings start happening on our streets such as those in Bagdad, I am sure you will se a change in attitude and expect the "government" to do something. And of course the governement is us.

[al b03]

So you think Obami and Pelosi and Reedi, and the gutless leberals in Washington would have been able to make the very diffucult decisions to fire bomb Japanese cities, Berlin, etc. To send our troops into almost impossible intense fire on the beaches of Normandy? To Lose 40 plus bombers at a time over Germany? The media would be screaming about the civilian losses. I don't think these Actors could muster the country into the united effort that built the most powerful military in the world. Not these spineless liberals.

[JohnMOhio]

I don't think they would have any choice in the matter. The public would require it. I also think we will also see a change in administration this next time around because of the attitude the people you have mentioned have taken. The population is seeing that you can not make peace from a weak position. I have also seen some reporting recently by individuals who believe the positions of canceling some weapons systems such as the F 35 Strike Fighter are wrong as is others. I don't recall seeing that happen when the B2 contract was scraped. It is little changes that I see here and there that are beginning to take place and with more speaking out. Same with Obama's plan to change over to private insurance for the military vets. There is still some strong unity in this country.

[Art]

The United States was far from "united" in the run up to World War 2. There were strong pacifist, isolationist, anti interventionist and even Nazi sympathizer forces that were very strong, very well organized had a lot of influence and collaborated with each other. Many influential Private Citizens like Charles Lindburgh and Avery Brundage were either defeatest, had Nazi sympathies or both. With little support from congress for intervention in Europe and even less for intervention in Asia the United States would probably never have entered the war except for the attack on Pearl Harbor. After Pearl Harbor there would have been a diminishing of support for a war in Europe had Hitler not foolishly declared war on the United States.

Once that happened there was an overwhelming shift in public opinion to win the war and whether Roosevelt or Obama was in charge I think the result would have been the same.

It would have been a harder slog with Obama though. I don't think he would have supported the huge military buildup tha Roosevelt began in the middle of the great depression that paid big dividends during the war. I do believe, however, the outcome would have eventually been the same, though the war may have lasted a year longer.

[Jim K]

There would not have been a war. The President would have apologized to Japan for our actions in interfering with a peaceful Hawaiian cruise by the Imperial Japanese Navy, invited Yamamoto to the White House and given him command of all U.S. forces, then told the Japanese to take Hawaii and to establish bases on the west coast. Then the President would have made a trip to Germany to bow to Hitler and explain that the U.S. could never support an imperialist country like England against a noble socialist state like Germany. The President would explain a picture of him giving the Nazi salute by saying that he was simply reaching for a basketball.

Jim