disassembling M1 bolt: Need a fixture or not?

[latigo 1]

I use to play this game in the service: that I could remove then replace the firing pin in a M1 rifle without any disassembly of the rifle except for the bolt

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Originally Posted by John Kepler
Okey Dokey...and my question that you haven't even attempted to answer was WHY? Even on a bedded comp rifle the job is MUCH easier with the bolt out of the rifle...you just pop out the trigger group and pull the bolt! So, unless you've got some other explanation, your little "skill" is in the same logical order as being able to peal an orange standing on your head....interesting but largely useless!
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What is the matter Mr. Kepler. You can't do this so you resort to sarcasm in an effort to belittle someone elses' skill. He never said it was the best way, he just said it was a game he played.

[John Kepler]

What is the matter Mr. Kepler. You can't do this so you resort to sarcasm in an effort to belittle someone elses' skill. He never said it was the best way, he just said it was a game he played.

Of course I can do it....said so if you ever bothered to read what I wrote! It's just that outside of some fairly specific and relatively unique circumstances, its a DUMB and largely useless skill/trick that he was using to "impress" a Novice asking a legitimate question about needing to buy a bolt assembly tool!

[McLovin]

C clamp and a piece of 357 sig brass easy like cake

[latigo 1]

Of course I can do it....said so if you ever bothered to read what I wrote! It's just that outside of some fairly specific and relatively unique circumstances, its a DUMB and largely useless skill/trick that he was using to "impress" a Novice asking a legitimate question about needing to buy a bolt assembly tool!

Actually I have seen a lot more useful information from RCS than I have from you. In fact he has been around Garands for 50 years. He has been collecting far longer than most of us and some of his information has been published in the GCA Journal and other well known reference books. I think his knowledge is a step above yours and I think it wrong to disrespect him just because he posted a tidbit he thought some of us would be interested in and you think it is DUMB and useless. The original poster got the information he was looking for a couple of pages back so it's not as if he was being mislead. Nothing wrong with disagreeing with someones post, but a little courtesy goes a long way.

[musketjon]

No special tool needed. If you just "have" to throw some $$ away you can throw it my way.
Jon

[mdoerner]

If you do A LOT of bolt disassembly, then get the tool. not needed if you're just doing onesey-twosey type disassembly.

Mike Doerner

[Bayou]

Well I guess there are a couple different schools of though on this subject. Thanks to all who replied. Being a rookie with the M1 I think I'll pony up for one of the tools mentioned in this thread.

[Rick B]

I think you need to step back for a bit John and look at how you answered. Maybe you were having a bad day and just stuck to your first post but it honestly was very rough when not needed. I have been friends with RCS for many years and have never seen him upset. I have seen him help many and do allot of good in the Garand world.

He is a founding member of the GCA and was featured in my article on the Barn Wood as a key player. He by far is not a idiot nor did he imply his way was the only way or best. He was talking of another way most do not know of and it works fairly well honestly. I hope you can understand where I am coming from? Rick B

[John Kepler]

Rick....You I know, him I don't. Nothing pejorative, just a statement of fact. This is a limited medium, all that's there is what's written. If it reads "condescending answer" to an obvious Novice question, waddaya do? If I misinterpreted what he wrote, then I humbly apologize. But Rick, you and I have met and talked on numerous occasions at Camp Perry...and I've also seen how often what you write is terribly misinterpreted by folks that only read you without knowing you. Like I said, this is a limited medium.

Can you disassemble the bolt in the rifle? Hell yes and I said so! Is it the "optimal" way to do it? Just as emphatically, no! A bolt assembly tool is a better alternative, particularly for a Novice from a couple different directions. Note....I said "better", not "only", not even "best"...though that's my own personal opinion.

"Field Assembly" as was being proposed risks mis-assembly (as in not quite getting the extractor spring seated correctly in the extractor notch, thereby launching the increasingly expensive and hard to replace extractor/spring/ejector into the Nether Regions shortly after firing begins....ask me how I know!), not to mention launching said parts into equally unpredictable places during the process (I mentioned that opening the trigger may as well happen at the start, since you'll need to open it anyway looking for the extractor spring you've inevitably dropped into the mangle!). Recommending bolt assembly in a controlled (contained) environment, using a device that replaces the "multiple" hands that the gymkhana being proposed does simply HAS to be the goal when answering a Novice question, wouldn't you think?

[0311Shooter]

Hey, if you guys are going to keep this now useless thread open, you need to take it over to the 2nd Amendment and Politics Page.

That's where the Argue and Bicker forum is located. You guys can snipe each other there to your heart's content. You can even tell some tasteless jokes there too.

Moderator!!!!! Close this thread and lock it up tight. All questions have been answered.